Jack Van Impe endorses the English codes for calculating 666

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  1. Jesusmyfriend

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    Hello,

    It has come to my attention that Jack Van Impe issued a newsletter from his website just a few days ago (July 28, 2003) that he is endorsing the English gematria codes for calculating the number of the beast and 666.

    Here is Jack's message and the url to this newsletter on his site.
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    A MESSAGE OF HOPE FROM DR. JACK VAN IMPE

    http://www.jvim.com/newsletter/pastissues/20030728.html

    What is the nature of the "coming world church"? How will this international institution cooperate with the world identification number "666" and the "image of the beast"?

    Revelation 13:11 introduces us to a beast who will serve as ally to the infamous Antichrist. This beast is known as the false prophet or leader of the world church of Revelation 17. Closely identified with the religion of the Roman Empire, this beast will influence the nations of the world to worship the Antichrist to the extent of setting up an image in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. The Lord Jesus referred to this image as the "abomination of desolation" (Matthew 24:15). When this unholy act takes place in the Temple, the true Jewish heart will be broken, because any hint at idolatry flies in the face of the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20. The second commandment states,

    "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" (v. 4).

    The false prophet?s religion, however, will have no qualms or conscience with respect to these idols and statues. Thus, the beast will erect an idol in honor of the Antichrist, and the world will be forced to bow to it. Anyone who remains true to the Lord Jesus Christ, His blood, and the inspiration of the Scriptures will be killed:

    "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" (Revelation 20:4).

    The Coming World Number

    The false prophet of the coming world church will also issue an international identification number. This is a prophecy that is fast becoming reality:

    "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six [or 666]" (Revelation 13:15-18).

    What about the Antichrist? Where is he during this time? What connection will he have to the dreaded number 666? I have no doubt that he is alive and presently on the scene, impatiently awaiting his moment to ascend the world throne. When he arises he will set up a world computer system that will keep track of every person on earth, giving each the number 666, according to Revelation 13:6-18. What is the relationship between this number and the Antichrist? Revelation 13:17 states that 666 is the number of his name. Verse 18 adds, "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man."

    666 and Gematria

    Let us look more closely at this number particularly at some of the scholarly research done on its future impact on humankind. The Rev. J. R. Church, founder and director of the "Prophecy in the News Ministry" in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, has spent many hours studying the development of the number 666 as it relates to modern society. He says that the word count in Revelation 13:18 comes from the Greek word meaning "to compute." Thus, the verse literally states, "Let him that hath understanding compute the number of the beast." To compute a number from a name, one must devise a system of ascribing numeric values to the letters of the alphabet. This procedure is known as gematria.

    In attempting to find a gematria for the English alphabet, Church discovered that the ancient Sumerian civilization of modern-day southern Iraq used a sexagesimal system of numerics. The Sumerians lived in the days of Noah and, therefore, constitute the earliest civilization known to archaeologists. Their numbering system was based on a root of six as opposed to our ten. Thus, the common fractions 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, and 1/5 would be written 30/60, 20/60, 15/60, and 12/60. In fact, the Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible, volume 4, implies the likelihood that the number 6 was the base of civilization?s first system of computation.

    Church also discovered that the English alphabet is essentially the same as that of every other language of the world since all tongues found their origin in a common source prior to the tower of Babel. Thus we have a, b, c in English; alpha, beta, and gamma in the Greek; and aleph, beth, and gimel in the Hebrew.

    Reasoning that the Antichrist may have an English name, Church used a gematria formed by adding the number 6 to each letter of the alphabet. Thus, A=6, B=12, C=18, D=24, E=30. F=36, etc. He then proceeded to compute the numerical values of various words associated with Scripture. Identical values were found for the following: Lucifer (444) + hell (222)=666; Lucifer + hades =666; devil + sheol= 666; devil + dragon =666; mark + beast =666; people + sin =666.

    Since the image of the beast (Revelation 13:14-15) is undoubtedly a sophisticated computer, Church decided to find the numerical value of the word computer (C=18, 0=90, M=78, P=96, U=126, T=120, E=30, R=108). The total: 666! I first noted that his findings were given credence by a statement in the November 1981 issue of Science Digest. Harvard theologian Harvey Cox wrote, "The true successors of the [ancient] sorcerers and the alchemists are not the priests and theologians but the physicists and the computer engineers." Certainly this will be true in the case of the Antichrist.

    Next, Church began searching for a city whose numerical value would indicate it as a possible location from which the Antichrist will arise. Since Rome plays a central role in Bible prophecy, he began there. However, Rome?s gematria totaled only 306. Likewise, the ancient city of Babylon (currently being rebuilt) equals 426 and Jerusalem comes to just 624. Continuing on through the other major cities of the world London, Paris, Brussels, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, and even Washington, D.C. each effort proved fruitless until he came to New York City (N=84, E=30, W=138, Y=1S0, 0=90, R=108, K=66, Total: 666).

    Although one cannot conclusively prove that New York is the city that will produce the Antichrist, it is chilling to note that it serves as the home of the current world parliament (the United Nations) and is also a base for the international banking industry. Incidentally, just outside New York City is a suburb by the name of Babylon.

    To cement the validity of Church?s research, there was a telephone call from a computer programmer who had been studying the numbering systems of the great empires of world history Rome, Greece, and Babylon (along with the Medo-Persian Empire, which had the same numbering system as Babylon). The programmer had found that a modern-day name could be formed from the letter values of the number 6 as taken from these three ancient numbering systems.

    Note this discovery: The number 6 in Roman numerals is made up of the letters VI. The ancient Greek number 6 was taken from the sixth letter of the alphabet, the letter sigma, which looks like the English letter s. Returning to the Babylonian Empire and its sexagesimal system of numbers, the programmer considered the possibility that its letter A equaled 6. Thus, from the three great world empires of history, he found that the composition of the number 666 spells the word VISA the precise name of today?s most accepted and popular credit card!

    What relationship Church?s unusual finding might have to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy remains to be seen. I do not set dates, nor do I make predictions. Personally, I am convinced that Christians will not know who the Antichrist is (or from which city he will come) because we will be gone (via the Rapture) before his identity is revealed. Still, it is both interesting and exciting to see the number 666 exposed in so many ways through this system of gematria.

    FOR MORE INFO:

    http://www.geocities.com/iamthekey_2000/calculator.html

    Jack Van Impe endorses the English codes for calculating 666
     
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    Didn't you get enough grief from your last ridiculous post on numberology? :eek:

    Jack Van Impe? Give me a break.

    Andy
     
  3. dianetavegia

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    He's bought into the lie, Andy!

    Yeah....... that changes everything... NOT!

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    Dear BaptistBoard readers,

    I believe "Jesusmyfriend" is Scott Branson, the creator of the "English codes". Scott has gone by several names in the past on several other forums, sometimes pretending to just be a supporter of the codes, and the modus operandi is no different here. There are several other reasons I believe this is Scott, but I won't get into them here, Even if "Jesusmyfriend" is not Scott, here is a little info on some past incidents I witnessed Scott do on another discussion board a while ago:

    He got into an argument with the administrator over something, and made a direct "prophecy" that by the same time next year, the administrator would acknowledge that Benny Hinn was a true prophet of God, AND that the administrator would become an "Apostle." He went so far as to say that people just logging into that forum would be "healed." He said that if the admin did not submit to this direction, before the year was out God ould punish him severely, until him surrendered to this "Apostolic ministry."

    The admin told him that it was a load of bunk, that he would never acknowledge that Benny Hinn was a "prophet" and that there are only 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ, and that he wasn't one of them.

    Over the next year, and following, nothing happened. To this day the admin of that forum is convinced Benny Hinn is a false prophet. He did not receive an "Apostolic" ministry. No one was healed coming to the board. And the admin received no unusual "chastisment" from God during that year. All of Scott's prophecies failed. Also, Scott stated plainly that if these prophecies were not true God could damn his soul to hell. The admin has informed me that he still has many of the posts he and Scott exchanged on this, as well as some other bizzare ones by Scott to other posters. For example, in one he claimed to one regular poster at the forum that he was the Apostle John (who wrote Revelation). In another, he threatened the same poster that he was going to "visit" her "in the spirit" because she denounced him as a false prophet.

    So if anyone is even contemplating taking the "English codes" seriously, BEWARE. Consider the source. And "Jesusmyfriend", if on the extremely remote chance you are NOT Scott, I apologize and exhort you to also consider your alignment with this man.

    Brian
     
  5. Jesusmyfriend

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    Brian T,

    I have no idea who Scott Branson is and it sure isn't me. But Brian what does that have to with the English Codes and Jack Van Impe's newsletter. These codes have been around in some form since 1969 that I know of and even Sabastian Bach used
    them in his music. He used the A=1 B=2 C=3 system of the English. This is nothing new Brian it's just new to those Christians who are just starting to hear about it.

    Whatever problems you or others has with this so called person Scott Branson does not nullify the findings in the Engish Codes. If you add up 298 + 111 it's total is 409. Now if a person who adds this up and then goes out and murders someone then he is a murderer and God will deal with him. But 298+111=409 is still correct regardless.

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    yeah that is way Jesus gave the bible, to chop it up into numbers and then "discover" when Jesus is going to return. Nevermind that he said no one knows the time. Please grow up in your faith and quit wasting everyones time!
     
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    Originally posted by go2church:
    yeah that is way Jesus gave the bible, to chop it up into numbers and then "discover" when Jesus is going to return. Nevermind that he said no one knows the time. Please grow up in your faith and quit wasting everyones time!
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    Good post, anyone who cannot recognize Benny Hinn for what he is and numerology for what it is, is not rooted and grounded in God's word and is still tossed to and fro by anything that comes along.
     
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    Sorry bunch of [slur deleted],

    Some of you people are nothing more than whitewashed tombs if your to stupid to see the obvious. Your too busy being flesh policeman over others sins or faults you just gloss right over your own.

    Benny Hinn in not the topic of this thread but since your refuse to look at the information even with Rev JR Church and Jack Van Impe endorsing it you throw a dig on Benny Hinn. I wonder what sins are in your closet.

    There are two witnesses apart from Benny Hinn Ministries who are endorsing this as well as others. So NOW you have NO excuse before God if you are deceived by the Antichrist in the future.

    I feel ashamed right now because for about 10 seconds I hoped the Antichrist would deceive you someday. However these feelings I have repented of, however you may need to do some serious praying because if you don't God just might let your free will take over. Currently your free will choice looks like a dangerous situation for a few of you, it's called religous pride and dead traditions of men.

    By the way Benny Hinn has not made a false prophecy for almost ten years. That's how long it's been since the cuba thing so get over it God has.

    An Excerpt from:

    http://www.geocities.com/iamthekey_2000/prophecy.html

    As you present this information to others you will find resistance to it on many fronts.

    The biggest one coming from the erred Christian Gostnic's which like to try spiritualize away the validity of studies like this. Or by the Preterists which believe and teach the error that the tribulation has already occurred. Another error taught by many immature Christians is that this is numerology. Absolutely not, the alphabet values shown here were established using the scientific method and established mathematical laws. See this link for more information.

    Since numerology by definition is the random assignment of numbers to create symbolic spiritual meanings for such things as colors, deities or astronomy constellations then for a Christian to associate or assign the number seven to God is in fact by definition numerology. Christians might argue and say that God did many perfect things in series of seven, or completed a work in seven days according to the Bible. In this argument they would be correct. However numerology in it's purest sense is to assign a numeric symbol to a tangible or intangible thing based on private interpretations or traditions without a clear command or declaration from God to do so.

    There is no precedent or standard in the scriptures for Christians to assign the number seven to God or perfection. These conclusions reached by Christians concerning the number seven and God are based solely on private interpretations of men and in doing so have done numerology. To assign the number seven to God is simply Christian numerology and is no different than other religions who apply numeric symbols based on their personal interpretations or traditions of their holy books. It is the equivalent of building and symbolic idol to remind yourself of a particular thing you believe, regardless it's actually true or even sanctioned by God. The numeric alphabet shown here was isolated and determined based on the command and call of God to calculate the number of the beast. It was not done based on private or symbolic interpretations of scripture. It was determined and calculated by staying within the Koine Greek word for calculate as rendered in the original text of the book of Revelation. That word is: Psephizo which means to calculate and determine mathematically not randomly.

    Psephizo {psay-fid'-zo} 5586;
    Count, (to count with pebbles, to compute, calculate, reckon 2)

    The Torah ELS codes uses all and any possible numeric combinations to find any matrix they can within the text. But the English gematria codes shown here do the exact opposite, they do all numeric combinations to isolate and prove one design. A design only God could have authored to be found in it's season. IMPORTANT NOTE: These are not the Torah ELS Bible codes promoted by TBN, Grant Jeffrey, Hal Lindsey and Micheal Drosin. These are the English Language Gematria Codes, or ELGC for short.

    [ July 31, 2003, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
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    Everything you say here
    is true.
     
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    Load of nonsense, it has been pretty well established that 666 refers to a man like emperor Nero. (cruel insane dictator type).
     
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    Your response sounds so very christ like doesn't it. Maybe you need to get over it.
    Benny Hinn does so much and says so much falseness from scripture it's pitiful that anyone still thinks of him as a christian teacher. wake up dude, everyone else has.
     
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    My friends,

    What you have here is a bonified troll. They exist in a lot of places on the net and I have had to deal with them extensively having owned several forums and moderatored on several different forums. Our administrators here are also quite used to dealing with people such as we have here.

    The best way you can deal with "Jesusismyfriend" (clearly not), is to ignore him/her. They will do nothing but get violent when you disagree with them.

    Hopefully, as you continue to discuss among each other and ignore them, they will see your Christian love and they will long to repent. However, arguing with a troll, especially someone such as this person will not be of any- I mean any- benefit.

    God Bless,
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    Oh wait, I meant to put:

    :D + :rolleyes: = [​IMG]

    Which has, been verified by at least three crackpot pseudo-theologians as being the formula for communicating "Yeah, right. Whatever."

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    I've been asked to close this thread or delete it since it is either a troll or someone that is delusional. I will not.

    It is a quotation of Van Impe and if some want to discuss it, that is fine. Jack Van Impe was an acquaintance of mine many years ago (1960's). In those days he came to my church and held a week of meetings on prophecy. Returned yearly. An amazing and gifted man.

    I have watched his sojourn since and to say "deeply saddened" would be understatement. This is but another step in the rapidly moving death spiral of a great ministry. [​IMG]

    [ July 31, 2003, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
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    Maybe Webmaster will pull up YOUR numbers and ban your ISP so we don't have to view this tripe every few days. :mad:

    Jesusmyfriend, in every thread you show your true self. Be Gone!

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    I do not know about Rev Church, But Jack Van Impe has said many things in recent passed that does give doubts to his thinking. Now as far as Benny Hinn goes, this should speak for him: Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989 Benny Hinn's new year celebration

    “The Lord also says that, Two of his great giants will die in the mid-90's. They've held the torch of revival for the last forty years, these two. One of them has been to this church, and the other has not. One will die suddenly while asleep. And the other will die of sickness. And as both giants die, which will be in the mid-90's, I will shake this world with a last revival. Their death will be the closing pages of this move.

    Did this happen?

    “There will be many raised from the dead in that day. Many visitations of angels that will come as young men knocking at your door.

    Did this happen?

    Benny Hinns has said “The Spirit tells me - Fidel Castro will die - in the 90's. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God.” “Holy Spirit just said to me, It could be worse than any death you can imagine. There's some question in my spirit on what kind of death the Lord means. I'm not sure. I see him. Uh. I see Cas, I, I see Castro bent over behind bars. I don't know what that means.”

    Did this happen?

    “The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid 90's, about '94-'95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [audience applauds] But He will not destroy it - with what many minds have thought Him to be, He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed”

    Did this happen?

    “God tells me to tell you, There's a new disease that will arise on the scene--unknown to mankind. It will kill many. The Spirit of God tells me to tell you that, There is a demon spirit (my goodness). His name is Apollyon. He's written-up in the book of Revelation. His name is the destructor, destroyer. He will come from the south--from South America into America itself--and will plague many for living in rebellion. God tells me to tell you that, The drug problem of America will cause many to die with that plague.”

    Did this happen?

    “The economy of the United States of America is going to fall. Many businesses will go bankrupt. Many will bought over by foreign companies, even as they are now. But God says, They will be bought by nations that now are considered underdeveloped. God said, Japan will turn away from America, and will join hands with Europe.”

    Did this happen?

    “The Spirit of God tells me an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the nineties. Not one place will be safe from earthquakes in the nineties. These who have not known earthquakes will know it.”

    Did this happen?

    “The Spirit tells me that, Europe, who is already now becoming powerful, will rule the nations and influence the world.”

    Hinn’s revelation continued “Oooh. A world dictator is coming on the scene - my! He's a short man. He's a short man! I see a short man! Who's a perfect incarnation of Satan . ... Never in my life have I had anything happen like what's happening to me now. This man will rule the world. The next few years you will see him. But not long after that you will see Me.” (December 31, 1989)

    Did this happen?

    Castro did not die in the dates given--the homosexual community of America was not burned with fire on the dates given. More than a “few years” have passed and we see not short man ruling the world and we haven't seen God. No new disease from south America, America did not go bankrupt, Europe did not rule the nations etc. etc. This is all from one prophecy and make insult to injury Hinn says at the end ... “I wish somebody would make sure to tell me what I said. Did--Did you tape that, brother? Did you tape that? Ooh! I was totally drunk. I'm still drunk. “Lord, if You spoke through me--if what You said is of You--then as I stretch my fingers towards the people, let Your power fall on everyone of 'em. If what I said, Master, is, is of You, let the power flow now.”

    “What did I say in that prophecy, guys? How long did I? I prophesied for twenty minutes? I'd like to know what I said. I was totally gone”(Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989 ).

    As Hinn states “What a way to start the 90's. What a way to start the 90's.” When one loses their faculties and has no consciousness of what they said it is more like channeling a spirit. The true prophets of God never spoke in this manner.

    The rapture is coming

    “The Spirit tells me that, ...following the rapture--a woman president will be in the White House, and that woman president will destroy this nation, but My church will, will be gone. ...A world dictator is coming on the scene. ... I see a short man, whose a perfect incarnation of Satan.... This man will rule the world. The next few years you will see him. But not long after that, you will see Me.” (December 31, 1989 at the Orlando Christian Center)

    On the November 9, 1990 Praise-a-Thon, Hinn told Crouch his new revelation. “Paul, I can say this -- Are you ready for this? We may have two years before the rapture. . . Can I be blunt with ya? I don't know if we have two years left. . . I'm gonna prove to you from the Word tonight, that we have less than two years.”

    Two years makes it 1992, but 5 years after when it was to occur on the July 1997 fund-raiser telethon on TBN Benny Hinn said a newer revelation for those who forgot the other new one, but this is 7 years later “Jesus is coming again within the next two years” (Trinity Broadcasting Network).

    Did this happen?

    That would have made it 1999 - several years ago. Not to wonder, he will say it again if he has enough time. Hinn repeats everything over and over because he is counting on you not remembering.

    Hinn had claimed that God is about to make a major move to anoint the people of God, as soon as Israel signs a treaty with the ailing Hafez Al-Assad of Syria, which will likely be within the next year. This will signal the impending large scale shift of financial wealth from the wicked to those obedient to God (as has been taught to his followers for 10 years). To benefit from this special anointing, you must be obedient to God and sow your financial seed to TBN now!

    The death of Assad on June 10th proves Hinn does not know what he was talking about, and yet he uses Gods name as if he does.

    More recent failed prophecies

    “Yes. The glory of God is going to visit His mighty church. Yes Lord. Three and a half months from now a great event is going to take place in the world, followed by a mighty move of God in the church. Three and a half months from now something is going to happen in this world: headline news, you'll know it. I will not tell you what I see. You'll just know it, and something mighty will follow in the Spirit. God, the Holy Ghost, is saying to His church - Watch Israel. Watch my people Israel. You will know as you read the scriptures and watch Israel. 'For the days are short' says the Lord. 'The days ahead are evil' says the Lord, 'but I have reserved a place for my people, a place of safety, a place of protection.'“ (Benny Hinn, December 29th, 2002)

    Did this happen? NO it did not.

    On 12/30/02 explaining on “ the 18th of December at 2 am I awakened to a prophecy ringing in my heart. I was hearing myself prophesy. ... Jeremiah the prophet said that when the Spirit of God came upon him, when the word of the Lord came upon him, it was as fire came into his being. And he could not hold the prophesy. When the Word of the Lord is given to you, you'll prophesy even if you're alone in that place. And so I felt as though my mouth was about to burst with this prophesy. But what I heard was frightening. That was on Wednesday. Thursday morning at 2 am in fact. And now I'm hearing the words “Rivers of blood, rivers of blood.” And the Lord revealed to me what's coming in the next few days and weeks with this war with Iraq.

    “When all this comes true - and it surely will - then they will know that a prophet has been among them.” (Ezek. 33:33).

    So does this make Benny Hinn a true prophet or a false one? There is not third choice.

    What did God tell Moses? “When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

    You don't have to be afraid that you will lose a blessing, or the anointing or anything from leaving Benny Hinn. In fact you have much to gain. Don't be manipulated by fear to do the right thing.

    Ezek 13:8 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD.”

    Ezekiel a true prophet of God writes of those who follow the false prophets, “And they shall bear their iniquity; the punishment of the prophet shall be the same as the punishment of the one who inquired”(Ezekiel 14:10).

    So now you have heard you are responsible before God to seek truth, not what you think is true. This should be sufficient for anyone who loves Jesus and God's word to reject anything a false prophet says, no matter what his name or reputation is.



     
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    Well then, it's a good thing I don't listen to Jack Van Impe.
     
  20. donnA

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    LOL
    now thats a good one Joshua
     

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