james moffat

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  1. stubbornboy

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    their are alot of cults here (in the philippines) that loves james moffat's translation of the bible.does he believe in God?i mean is he a bible believing Christian?does he believe in the diety of Christ?whats with his translation? :confused:
     
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    MOFFAT'S BIOGRAPHY

    I haven't read Moffat's translation; I know nothing especially against it. I prefer the Phillips NT from later, but that's all I can say.
     
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    The Moffatt Bible was translated by James Moffatt. The New Testament section was published in 1913. The Old Testament section was published in 1924. The complete Moffatt Bible was published in 1926. It was completely revised and the type reset in 1935.

    My copy is the 1935 revision, and it was published by Hodder & Stoughton, Publishers in London.

    A few sample texts:

    Eph. 2:8, 9 For it is by grace you have been saved, as you had faith; it is not your doing but God’s gift, not the outcome of what you have done—lest anyone should pride himself on that.

    John 3:16 For God loved the world so dearly that he gave up his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life, instead of perishing.

    Romans 3:23-26 All have sinned, all come short of the glory of God, but they are justified for nothing by his grace through the ransom provided in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as the means of propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to demonstrate the justice of God in view of the fact that sins previously committed during the time of God’s forbearance had been passed over; it was to demonstrate his justice at the present epoch, showing that God is just himself and that he justifies man on the score of faith in Jesus.
     
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    RSR, this isn't the same Moffat.
     
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    James Moffatt
    1870 - 1944
    Ecclesiastical historian. Born in Glasgow, Moffatt was Professor of Church History at the University of Glasgow between 1915 and 1927. He is remembered for producing one of the most widely used modern translations of the Bible. He died in New York City, USA.
     
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    RSR, this isn't the same Moffat. </font>[/QUOTE]yup that isnt the moffat im looking.ok lets see:

    1.if moffat believes in the deity of Christ then some of these cults here will get a great shock since they like his version so much.because they dont believe Jesus is God (but merely a man)
     
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    Stubbornboy,

    May I suggest that you get a copy of the Moffatt Bible and look up the following verses which have to do with the deity of Christ:

    As Jehovah:
    General references
    Isa_40:3; Mat_3:3
    Jehovah of glory
    Psa_24:7; Psa_24:10; 1Co_2:8; Jam_2:1
    Jehovah our righteousness
    Jer_23:5-6; 1Co_1:30
    Jehovah above all
    Psa_97:9; Joh_3:31
    Jehovah the first and the last
    Isa_44:6; Rev_1:17; Isa_48:12-16; Rev_22:13
    Jehovah's fellow and equal
    Zec_13:7; Phi_2:6
    Jehovah of hosts
    Isa_6:1-3; Joh_12:41; Isa_8:13-14; 1Pe_2:8
    Jehovah
    Psa_110:1; Mat_22:42-45
    Jehovah the shepherd
    Isa_40:10-11; Heb_13:20
    Jehovah, for whose glory all things were created
    Pro_16:4; Col_1:16
    Jehovah the messenger of the covenant
    Mal_3:1; Luk_2:27
    Invoked as:
    Jehovah
    Joe_2:32; 1Co_1:2
    The eternal God and Creator
    Psa_102:24-27; Heb_1:8; Heb_1:10-12
    The mighty God
    Isa_9:6
    The great God and Savior
    Hos_1:7; Tit_2:13
    God over all
    Rom_9:5
    God the Judge
    Ecc_12:14; 1Co_4:5; 2Co_5:10; 2Ti_4:1
    Emmanuel
    Isa_7:14; Mat_1:23
    King of kings and Lord of lords
    Dan_10:17; Rev_1:5; Rev_17:14
    The Holy One
    1Sa_2:2; Act_3:14
    The Lord from heaven
    1Co_15:47
    Lord of the Sabbath
    Gen_2:3; Mat_12:8
    Lord of all
    Act_10:36; Rom_10:11-13
    Son of God
    Mat_26:63-67
    The only begotten Son of the Father
    Joh_1:14; Joh_1:18; Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18; 1Jo_4:9
    His blood is called the blood of God
    Act_20:28
    One with the Father
    Joh_10:30; Joh_10:38; Joh_12:45; Joh_14:7-10; Joh_17:10
    As sending the Spirit equally with the Father
    Joh_14:16; Joh_15:26
    As unsearchable equally with the Father
    Pro_30:4; Mat_11:27
    As Creator of all things
    Isa_40:28; Joh_1:3; Col_1:16
    As supporter and preserver of all things
    Neh_9:6; Col_1:17; Heb_1:3
    Acknowledged by Old Testament saints
    Gen_17:1; Gen_48:15-16; Gen_32:24-30; Hos_12:3-5; Jdg_6:22-24; Jdg_13:21-22; Job_19:25-27
    Unclassified scriptures relating to the divinity of
    Exo_23:20-21; Psa_24:10; 1Co_2:8; Psa_45:6-7; Isa_6:1; Joh_12:41; Isa_8:13-14; 1Pe_2:8; Isa_9:6; Isa_40:3; Isa_40:9-10; Mat_3:3; Mal_3:1; Mat_11:10; Mat_1:23; Isa_7:14; Mat_8:29; Luk_8:28; Mat_9:6; Mat_22:43-45; Psa_110:1; Mat_28:17-18; Mar_5:6-7; Luk_4:12; Luk_4:33-34; Luk_9:43-44; Joh_1:1-2; Joh_5:17-18; Joh_5:21-23; Joh_10:30-33; Joh_12:45; Joh_20:28; Act_7:37-39; Act_20:28; Rom_1:7; 1Co_1:3; 2Co_1:2; Col_1:2; 1Th_1:1; 2Th_1:1-2; 2Ti_1:2; Rom_9:5; 1Co_8:6; 1Co_10:9; Num_21:6; 1Co_15:47; Gal_1:1; Gal_1:3; Phi_1:2; Eph_1:2; Eph_6:23-24; 1Th_3:11; 2Th_2:16-17; 1Ti_3:16; Tit_2:13; Heb_1:1-14; Psa_102:24-27; Gen_1:1; 1Jo_5:20

    This compilation is from Nave's Topical Bible, downloadable for free from the E-Sword website. And the really great thing about this software version is that you don't have to look up the verses in your Bible to see what they say. All you have to do is move your mouse until the insertion point is over the reference that you want to read, and the whole verse pops up using the translation that you chose from a list of many (Unfortunately, the Moffatt Bible is not include).

    [ May 28, 2004, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: Craigbythesea ]
     
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    Color me embarrassed. [​IMG]
     
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    wow Craigbythesea thanks!!!
     
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    Are you talking about Iglesia Ni Cristo?
     
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    Are you talking about Iglesia Ni Cristo? </font>[/QUOTE]yup [​IMG] do you know about iglesia ni cristo?they really like those moffat and the good news bible.but sometimes when i commute in thursday i dont see them carrying bibles :(
     
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    Yes. My pastor spends a lot of time in the Philippines. After his last trip he brought back pictures of the HUGE house the leader of INC lives in in Manila, up on the hill overlooking the city.

    He talked about the cult and how it is now coming to the US. They deny the deity of Christ and their leader believed he was the Angel of the east in the book of Revelation. He said he found that interesting in that the leader died a few years ago and left the cult to his son. How does an Angel die? [​IMG]
     
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    stubbornboy, you may already have searched the 'Net for info, but here's a page with a history, overview, resources and links on INC:

    Iglesia Ni Cristo
     
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    INC don't believed in salvation by grace thru faith but by being a member of Iglesia ni Cristo then they shall be save.. aside from this, Jesus Christ is not their Lord, they believe that Jesus Christ is only a man sent from God :mad: .. For your info about INC...
     
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    yes they are coming to the US.they got tv programs in major tv stations here.they keep on plug their churches in the US.the "east" thing is that they believe that the philippines is the far east i.e. the promise land where the true church will rise in the last days.and their leader is the 5th angel that is calling out to hold the winds in the four corners of the world.the 4 other angels are the big4 in WW1.unfortunetly the last days where as you know stated way back Jesus got caught back in heaven.

    they have this magazine called "pasugo"(God's messeges)w/c i find it funny becoz some of its doctrine that are published their contradicts each other.

    currently they are waging battle with another cult here ang dating daan (the former way) (w/c i feel came from their fold ).in every form of media they kept arguing.

    marcia tnx for the link. [​IMG]
     

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