January - Reading 4

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    Matthew 2:16-18 (ESV)
    16 Then Herod, when he saw that he had been tricked by the wise men, became furious, and he sent and killed all the male children in Bethlehem and in all that region who were two years old or under, according to the time that he had ascertained from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah: 18 “A voice was heard in Ramah, weeping and loud lamentation, Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be comforted, because they are no more.”

    Matthew 2:22-23 (ESV)
    22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there, and being warned in a dream he withdrew to the district of Galilee. 23 And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth, that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled: “He shall be called a Nazarene.”

    Acts 2:27 (ESV)
    27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption. (Psalm 16:8-11 spoken by David)

    Acts 2:30-31 (ESV)
    30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

    I’ve been debating with skeptical thinkers (atheists) on the “All Other Discussions” forum about biblical prophecy. Here we see three clear distinct prophecies about Jesus fulfilled. The prophecies themselves were made hundreds of years prior to their fulfillment. The skeptics claim things like their vagueness, that they are self-fulfilling, and all sorts of excuses to avoid dealing with the truth. I guess to a secular humanist atheistic skeptic, there is no such thing as truth. Everything can be argued around.

    Acts 2:39 (ESV)
    39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

    This is one of many “election” verses. Salvation is ultimately from the Lord, as evidenced further by:

    Acts 2:44-47 (ESV)
    44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

    Psalm 4:7 (ESV)
    7 You have put more joy in my heart than they have when their grain and wine abound.

    Amen! And praise, glory, and honor be to God!

    Genesis 9:3 (ESV)
    3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

    Apparently, before the flood, mankind did not eat meat! They also lived 7-9 hundred year life spans. Of course it was more than meat that influenced that. The vapor canopy that Helen so well described protected all living things from the sun’s ultra violet rays. Nevertheless, in the curse God told Adam to eat “veggies,” and now He’s telling them to add meat to their diet.

    Genesis 9:6 (ESV)
    6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

    For the anti-capital punishment Christians: This passage is pre-law (in case you want to argue that Christ abolished the law). Romans 13 gives God-ordained governments the authority to carry Gen 9:6 out. The teachings of Jesus do not collide with this. Jesus was saying not to take matters into one’s own hands.

    Genesis 11:10-26 (ESV)
    10 These are the generations of Shem. When Shem was 100 years old, he fathered Arpachshad two years after the flood.
    11 And Shem lived after he fathered Arpachshad 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
    12 When Arpachshad had lived 35 years, he fathered Shelah.
    13 And Arpachshad lived after he fathered Shelah 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
    14 When Shelah had lived 30 years, he fathered Eber.
    15 And Shelah lived after he fathered Eber 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
    16 When Eber had lived 34 years, he fathered Peleg.
    17 And Eber lived after he fathered Peleg 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
    18 When Peleg had lived 30 years, he fathered Reu.
    19 And Peleg lived after he fathered Reu 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
    20 When Reu had lived 32 years, he fathered Serug.
    21 And Reu lived after he fathered Serug 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
    22 When Serug had lived 30 years, he fathered Nahor.
    23 And Serug lived after he fathered Nahor 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
    24 When Nahor had lived 29 years, he fathered Terah.
    25 And Nahor lived after he fathered Terah 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
    26 When Terah had lived 70 years, he fathered Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

    A steady decline in longevity after the Flood due to the changes in atmospheric conditions (canopy, atmospheric pressure, effects of UV rays, etc.) Also the once pure genetic code is beginning to become “dirty,” ushering in diseases. Maybe Helen can elaborate on that?
     
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    I have to admit, I really, really, REALLY dislike the way Genesis 1-11 is being rushed through in this particular study. There is so much there!

    I'm glad John mentioned the demand for capital punishment for murder (not manslaughter -- for those who know Exodus - Deuteronomy, you will recall that there is a definite distinction made between the planned killing of a person and the accidental killing of a person). So many people today seem to think that Christianity is a lovey-dovey let's-everyone-be-gentle-and-sweet-and-forgiving affair. Although those elements are certainly there, justice and righteousness cannot be abandon in the name of 'love'. As Shakespeare so aptly put it, "Love is not love when it alteration finds." And God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. To honor Him and to protect us all, those who murder must be executed. I'm all for as painlessly as possible -- not for the murderer's sake, actually, but for ours, so that we don't run the risk of becoming hardened to someone else's pain.


    Genesis 10 is called the Table of Nations. It is probably the only ancient account of where the nations and ethnic groups originated, but it is by far the most accurate, much to the surprise of many who study these things in the secular world. You will find that almost every major work discussing early nations and groups will refer to this Table of Nations at some point.

    I made a chart years ago which is tattered but still here, of the listing of the nations and who came from whom. When I started looking up names, I was amazed at how many actually still come down in recognizable form today.

    Japheth's sons are the easiest to track. Here are some samples:
    Gomer's name shows up in "Crimea", "Germany" and "Cambria" (now Wales).
    Magog means 'place of Gog' and is now Georgia, by the Black Sea.
    Madai's name shows up both in the later Medes, as well as in the Madras of India.
    Javan's name slides fairly easily to the ancient name for Greece: Ionia.
    Both Tubal and Meshech retain their memory in the Russian cities of Tobolsk and Moscow. Tiras' name becomes linked to the Thracians, who were perhaps the ancestors of the Etruscans.

    It gets really interesting!

    It gets much more interesting on Ham's side, though!

    "Ham" means either "hot" or "burnt one." There is good evidence that he was very dark-skinned because of the only image we have of his grandson, Nimrod (Ninus in legends) shows definite Negroid features. But the name "Ham" slid very quickly into something else with a very slight pronunciation change: Herm, or THE burning one! As with "Moses", the 'es' ending indicates 'son of' or 'out of'. And thus Herm's son becomes known as the legendary Hermes of Greek mythology. This is also Cush by name (the name meaning "Great Rebel", by the way...), whose name comes down to us today in the form of 'chaos.' Following these linguistic routes, Hislop, in Two Babylons, demonstrates pretty clearly and with multiple references, the beginnings of ancient mythology coming from a deification of the early Hamites. Cush becomes not only Hermes, but Chaos itself, and thus Hislop wonders if he was not the architect of Babel, or at least the master planner behind it, with his son, Nimrod, coordinating the actual work.

    "Nimrod" by the way is only a title, not a name. It's roots go back to the words for "leopard" and "subduer". This was the mighty hunter before the Lord! A few generations off the Ark evidently they were having trouble with the wild beasts, and anyone who could get them under control would have been idolized -- literally.

    For those who are interested in these events and the research that Hislop put into it, Two Babylons is now on the web here: http://philologos.org/__eb-ttb/default.htm

    One of the footnotes traces the original Hebrew "Rahm" through to India's Brahm. "The Anointed One," which is "Christ" in the Greek, is "Krishna" in Hindi! In other words, the truth of a coming Redeemer and Anointed One is very, very ancient and badly distorted through time in other cultures.

    "Div", which means "to shine" becomes for us "divine." But in India we find it becoming "Deva", "Shiv" or "Ziv". "Div" becomes, by another route, "Thav", which then later shows up as "theo" (as in theology) as well as "deo" from which "deus" and then "Zeus" come.

    It gets REALLY interesting. I strongly recomment wading through Hislop. I have worked my way through it four times now and keep getting more information that I remember.

    This post is getting really long. I'll start another one for chapter 11 and John's question regarding genetics.
     
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    One of the common interpretations of the Babel incident is that God miraculously altered the languages of the inhabitants and that they then wandered away by language groups.

    This is probably exactly backwards from what happened. Languages tend to change and 'mutate' very rapidly -- as anyone listening to a teenager knows! Or, for instance, just look at English "as she are spoke" in England, Canada, the United States, Australia, etc. Just a few quick and funny examples of changes in our own time: my husband is Australian, and before we were married he told me to please hold the phone one time while he went to put on a jumper -- he was cold. I stared at the phone wondering if I was somehow engaged to a cross-dresser! No -- while a jumper in America is a girl's dress, in Australia it is a pullover sweater... Another incident occurred the other evening. He told me he was over at some mutual friends' home who have a new baby and that Vince, the daddy, was 'nursing the baby to sleep.' I laughed and told him to be careful using that term in the United States because here that meant 'breast feeding' and not just rocking and cuddling!

    I don't think it took any miracles on God's part to change languages. All that had to happen was for people to be separated. And they were, by a cataclysm. I have to go outside Bible here to reference part of this, but it should be recognized that just as the Flood memory has come down in one way or another through time in all ancient cultures, any other wide-spread catastrophe would also be remembered.

    There is a clue in the Genesis account we can work from, though: "But the Lord came down to see the city...." The "Lord coming down" seems to be a reference to the fact that something may have happened from the sky. We can read in Psalm 18,

    The earth trembled and quaked,
    and the foundations of the mountains shook;
    they trembled because he was angry.
    Smoke rose from his nostrils;
    comsuming fire came from his mouth,
    burning coals blazed out of it.
    He parted the heavens and came down;
    dark clouds were under his feet.
    He mounted the cherubim and flew;
    he soared on the wings of the wind.
    He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him --
    the dark rain clouds of the sky.
    Out of the brightness of his presence clouds advanced,
    with hailstones and bolts of lightning.
    The Lord thundered from heaven;
    the voice of the Most High resounded.
    He shot his arrows and scattered the enemies,
    great bolts of lightning and routed them.
    The valleys of the sea were exposed,
    and the mountains of the earth laid bare at your rebuke, O Lord,
    at the blast of breath from your nostrils.


    Whether or not this is referring to the Babel incident -- and I personally think it may be -- the point needs to be made that the Lord is seen as using nature to fight against His enemies.

    Along this line of thought, there is a very interesting phrase in Gilgamesh, which refers to "the meteorite of An" in one translation and the "shooting star of Anu" in another. Both times it is singular. Now, a meteorite or shooting star does NOT pick up the name of the chief of all gods if it is a normal one. And if you look at the description of Gilgamesh's mother and then at the description of Semiramis, the wife of Ninus (Nimrod) in Hislop's book (referenced last post), you will see striking similarities. This was one strong and remarkable woman. I don't think it was two women. Gilgamesh seeks out Noah, by another name in that legend, but recognizably the same person. So he lived before Noah died. I think Gilgamesh was Nimrod's son, and that his epic speaks of the astroid hit which caused incredible devastation, and either sparked or came 'coincidently' with some enormous volcanism in the area. This would have driven survivors out of the area VERY quickly and the human migration would have gotten a kick start from God for refusing to do it on their own earlier.

    What must have been a terrible devastation, with not a lot of survivors, would have driven people from the immediate area for some time. The Bible does say the Lord confused the languages. There may have been a bit of a push-start from the Lord in this area as well, and I would certainly not fight against that interpretation. However the evidence for a catastrophe here is in a number of other cultures. The Aborigines of Australia have legends of a time of human migration and language changes after a catastrophe. These things are, of course, not Scripture -- but they are memories of cultures which Scripture may help us understand a little bit.


    As chapter 11 continues, we see again a genealogical list. This time, as in chapter 5, with the ages given. These lists seem such a bore to people, but there are some fascinating details in them. As John mentioned, the ages are one.

    Most people recognize the sudden drop in life expectancies after the Flood. Most people don't see the sudden drop by the same 50% after the time of Peleg! Lives of about 800-900 years seem common before the Flood. But immediately after we see a drop by about 50%. Shem lives longer than the next three generations, but still nowhere near as long as Noah or the other antediluvians. The next three generatons after Shem were all about 400 years when they died. And then we have another sudden drop. Whereas Eber, Peleg's father, had lived 464 years, on par with his father and grandfather, Peleg only lives 239 years. His son, Reu, also 239 years. Reu's son lived to 230, and from there the ages start a steady decline until Abraham is said to have lived to a good old age at 175 and then Moses at 'only' 120!

    Something happened during Peleg's time. Peleg's catastrophe was NOT the same as the Babel catastrophe, but followed about 300 years or less later. In Peleg's time the continents were truly divided. The word used for 'earth' there in the Hebrew ALWAYS means a geographical area, whether it be by nation, city, land mass, or the entire earth. It is never used to reference people apart from the land.

    The radioactive heating which had triggered the Flood of Noah's day had caused the interior of the earth to become molten, with a sort of watery/magma layer underneath the crust which was like oil on a road. Memories, again, from cultures around the world seem to point to this time as a time of a rather massive meteorite bombardment. The New Zealand Maoris have a legend about the moon getting a 'dirty face' -- in other words, they saw a change in appearance on the face of the moon, and they associated the change with falling rocks. These stories are, of course, not biblical, but we can't discount them, either. These people are not making up stories for the sake of campfire enjoyment -- they are passing down memories of what their ancestors experienced, albeit memories dressed up in mythologies.

    But we have legends and mythologies all over the world of 'wars' between the 'gods' of the earth and sea and sky. When we tease the mythological elements away from them, what we may be seeing are memories of a few more major catastrophes after the Flood.

    The massive meteorite craters in the Caribbean, Canada, and even Arizona as well as other places, may date from this time. If so, then their hits all on the one side of the world means they hit fast and hard. If we coordinate this with the biblical mention of Peleg, then with the slippery layer under our crust, we can see that the Bible may be very accurate in stating that, indeed, at this time the land, or the earth, was divided. The great Atlantic rift was unzipping, pulling the eastern and western hemispheres apart. Evidence for the rapidity and recentness of this event may be found in the mountains along the entire west of both Americas, as they 'wrinkled' or uplifted in massive chunks at this time. It may also be found in the Pacific "Ring of Fire" -- the ring of volcanic activity circling the Pacific Ocean. It should also be noted that the second most active place volcanically and tectonically in the world is in the Middle East, where the Jordan Rift Valley, which stretches, actually, into the heart of Africa, was formed either during the Bable or Peleg catastrophes (I tend toward the former for reasons that would take too long here!).

    Why does the Flood get so much prominence when the other catastrophes don't? Because the Flood was God's judgment on the entire world. The later catastrophes, as awful as they were, were secondary to that. But David writes of a time when the "hills skipped like lambs and the mountains like rams." This is not your average earthquake, folks! Job also mentions this type of thing.

    So what about the genetics? I think the loss of the vapor canopy had a lot to do with the decreased ages, but there was something else, and I'm not sure what. The loss of the vapor canopy would not have caused those sudden jumps of 50% decreased age expectancy two times. Something like the vapor canopy being destroyed and us losing our UV protection would have produced a more gradual drop in average age expectancies.

    I think that what may have happened is something to do with something -- perhaps in the atmosphere and toxic -- which acted as a mutagent (something producing a mutation) knocking out our ability to repair a part of the chromosomes which allows them to allow cells to continue dividing for many,many times, thus prolonging the life of a person. These little things on the chromosomes are called 'telomeres', and we lose them bit by bit whenever the cell they are in divides. It requires the enzyme 'telomerase' to add new telomeres, and we do not have the ability to manufacture telomerase.

    But cancer cells do. That's interesting, eh?

    We may have lost the genetic information to produce telomerase at some time due to something in those catastrophes. THAT loss WOULD produce an immediate and permanent shortened life span among people. And it seemed to have happened not only during the Flood, but whatever was left was knocked out at the time of Peleg.

    This is pure conjecture, OK? But it seems to coordinate what geneticists are finding out and what may have happened to the human race as recorded in the Bible.

    It may have been something else altogether -- but SOMETHING did a quick knockout of something genetically to the human race twice from what we can see in the Bible.

    I TOLD y'all they are running through Genesis too fast! Look at the size of these monster posts. I apologise for that. Isn't it nice to have a little icon you can press to get rid of all this and get on to what may be more interesting to you?

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    I agree, Helen, we are covering a lot of material in a short amount of time in Genesis, but it is a long way to January for completing this quest we're on and we do have an additional 6 days at the end of this month to toss some more ideas around.

    My understanding of the Babel incident in chapter 11 is that it predates chapter 10 as evidenced in 11:10, "...two years after the flood...". If this is so, then it makes sense that all of the inhabitants of the earth spoke the same language. Further evidence of chapter 11 predating chapter 10 is found in 10:5, "(the peoples)...each with its own language."
    I also like how just last night we read over in Acts how the Holy Spirit overcame this imposition when addressing the multitudes in their own tongues.

    Look forward to the reading of this post as other contributors speak up.

    May God bless you

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    A quick response, Clint. There is some good evidence that Genesis is actually a series of eye-witness reports, signed by the authors at the END of their tablets. In Genesis 11:10a, Shem signs off his account. Terah is evidently the one who then recites the geneaologies that follow, and signs off in verse 27. This is why Genesis 11:10 picks up from before the Babel incident and closes after. Curt Sewell has done a good job explaining this here: http://www.ldolphin.org/tablethy.html

    I also posted some material on this in three posts on this page here: http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000439 -- the first part is from me and the second and third from much more respected Bible scholars!

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    I'm glad you guys/gals are bringing this stuff up, because I wouldn't have caught on to half of that. [​IMG] Thanks.
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    Acts 2:22-47:
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    Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
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    Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
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    Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of : because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
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    For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
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    Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
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    Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
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    Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
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    Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
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    Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
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    He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
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    This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
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    Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
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    For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
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    Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
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    Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
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    Now when they heard this, they were ed in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
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    Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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    For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
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    And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
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    Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
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    And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
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    And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
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    And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
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    And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
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    And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
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    Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. (KJV)


    Very moving Scriptures. I love them. Cannot get enough of the Scriptures.
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    I agree with Helen we are going through this to fast. I would like to see a forum just on biblical history... Just a thought... Brother Glen
     
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    Good evening –

    My mother has also begun this program and today had a question regarding Cannan bearing the punishment for Ham’s sin in Genesis 9:25. Her study Bible speculated that perhaps Canaan participated in the act in some way but after checking a few other sources, I do not believe this to be true. Ham would suffer with the knowledge that a branch of his lineage would dishonor him. The Israelites are eventually told to destroy the nation of Canaan in Exodus 34 and Deuteronomy 7. There is also an element of punishment in that since Ham dishonored his father, Noah, likewise Canaan would also dishonor Ham. It is a type of “reap what you sow” retribution.

    A note on our reading in Acts: There is a large crowd with differing languages at this point in the story because Pentecost was a Jewish Holy day. Though not as important as the Feast of the Passover, the Feast of Pentecost occurred at a time of year that was more cooperative weather-wise and was the next event on the Jewish calendar. The origins of this festival are recorded in Leviticus 23: 9-16. The feast began as a strictly agricultural celebration but rabbinical tradition adopted it as a celebration of the time that Moses received the Law from God on Mount Sania. Thus there is a signifigance to the Holy Spirit descending on the crowd at this event. In the Old Testament, the Spirit would temporarily fill a select few at different times in history. Now the Spirit became readily available to all who would call on the Name of the Lord.

    Also, there is some dispute between those of us who support the notion that baptism is a non-salvific act and those who believe it is and some of this controversy originates from Acts 2:28. In the primitive Christian sermon that we read today, Peter quotes Joel, the prophet who witnessed the locust swarm during the 9th century BC. Peter’s call to the people in verse 38 is very similar to that prophet’s call with the exception of the command to baptize. This particular part of the speech reflects the cry from the wilderness of John the Baptist. Joel, John and Peter were all giving instructions pertaining to the “Day of the Lord.” Joel and John’s messages both led to this sermon by Peter. While John’s baptism was by water and foretold of the coming of the Spirit, Peter’s message of baptism pertains to receiving the Holy Spirit.

    Peter’s message is not a formula. While Peter instructed (1) repentance, (2) baptism, (3) forgiveness of sin, and (4) receiving the Spirit, later in Acts we see that in Samaria were baptized but did not receive the Spirit until Peter and John laid hands on them (Acts 8:14-18). In Acts 10, Cornelius receives the Holy Spirit long before he is baptized.

    May God bless you

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    That last post was written last night while the server was down. Hence the "good evening" salutation. [​IMG]
     
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    Capital punishment is ordained in Genesis 9:5-6. Noah had just stepped out of the Ark onto a flood-ravaged world. Only a few generations removed from Cain and Abel, the earth had to be destroyed because the loathsomeness of all mankind has become plain to me, for through them the earth is full of violence. Gen. 6:13-14 (NEB)

    We have come much farther from Noah than Noah had come from Adam, because until lately violence had been kept in check since God's covenant with Noah which requires the blood of violent men.
     
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    If a man can't lay naked (nekkid where I come from) in his own tent, then where can he lay naked? Uh, huh! Gotch on that one, didnt I? [​IMG]
     
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    I have really enjoyed the commentary and discussion on this board it has been good to hear different viewpoints on the scripture. Many thanks to all.
     
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