Jerry Falwell Question?

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  1. Rhetorician

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    To all who have an ear:

    I was reared in a nominal SBC context. I had a "Bob Jones Man" as a pastor. He baptized me, married my wife and I, and ordained me to the Gospel Ministry. I went on from there to become a "full-fledged" Southern Baptist. I was a Bus Pastor back in the 70s and went to the Hyles and Falwells for the "Super Conferences" and "Bus Conferences" et al.

    I would like to pose a question to those of you who have been "the movement" (IFB movement) for a while.

    What think ye of Jerry Falwell as he became in the last 20-30 years? He did end up being aligned with the SBC through the conservative Virginia Baptist Convention.

    Has he given up his fundamentalism? Did he betray "the movement?" Did he mellow as most of us do as we get older?

    I would like the comments to be truthful from your perspective. I would also like them to be very respectful of one who did much for the Kingdom of Christ and for America.

    sdg!:thumbs:

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  2. npetreley

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    Isn't that polygamy? Sorry, don't mean to derail the thread...
     
  3. Salty

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    I will give you a serious answer! :applause:
    The question is did Jerry (and others) stray from fundamentalism, or did fundamentals become Ultra - Fundamentals Baptists (UFB)?

    I would think its like that ole story where a wife after 30 years of marriage the woman looks and her husband and asks how they have grown so far apart. He says this is the spot I was sitting 30 years ago when you cuddled up to me. I haven't moved one bit.

    I would like to consider myself as a fundamental, but please don't group me with those who are KJO, no long hair allowed,CCM is of the Devil ... It seems the UFB's just keep adding more and more rules

    Salty
     
  4. John of Japan

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    Hi, Rhet. :wavey:

    Brother Falwell was a great man who did much good for the Lord. However, in my eyes (and those of many others) he lost his Fundamentalism (and senses!) when he decided to rescue Jim Bakker's ministry in 1987.

    My mother would excoriate me for this view, though. She thinks Brother Jerry walked on water and clouds (as he now can!).

    God bless.

    John :type:
     
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    I am with you on this one...
    This almost describes me to a T.

    I never followed his ministry after the Jim Bakker incident.. (I was 17 at that time) But looking back, I see a lot of Grace coming from Falwell to Bakker that other Christians were not willing to give...

    Personally, I grew up as a fundamentalist, but as the movement got more and more into onlyism, it moved away from me. I still hold to the fundamentals.. but like, Salty.. because of the stigma now associated with fundamentalism in the USA (onlyism... hyles... etc..) I don't want to be labeled that...

    Call me a Christian.
     
  6. John of Japan

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    Is that the T in tiny or the T in tim? :laugh:
    Brother Falwell paid a huge price for the Bakker support. I read recently that his ministries almost went bankrupt after that because of the fallout and loss of support. I think it may have been good for Brother Falwell to offer personal help and counseling to Bakker, but what many objected to was not the grace extended personally to Bakker, but rescuing a ministry that seem to thrive on excess. I think Brother Falwell underestimated the fallout.

    God bless!
     
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    I attended several Pastor Conferences at FBC, Jacksonville over the years and would hear Bro. Jerry "Pitch" Liberty U from the pulpit-----I almost enrolled in hopes he'd meet his enrollment quota and get on to some good preachin'!!! But that was never the case!!!

    IMHO---the dude never could preach---but he could sell bricks!!!!! Know what I mean????
     
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    Blackbird Reply

    Brother Blackbird,

    I am a little embarrassed at your reply!

    May I admonish you just a bit?!

    Your reply was off the OP.

    And besides that, it was in a bit of poor taste was it not?! The Rev. Dr. Falwell is not even cold and in the grave yet. Please refer to the OP and feel free to answer that question with some dignity and respect for the man, his position, his legacy, and our Lovely Lord Jesus that he no doubt served and loved.

    As one who was reared in a semi-fundamental and semi-SBC context; I should have known that it would be difficult to ask a question, when certain individuals do not understand the difference b/t criticism and a well thought-through critique.

    After your response, I am really sorry and chagrined that I posted the question.


    I remain fraternally yours!

    sdg!:thumbs:

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  9. SaggyWoman

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    I have on occasion listened to his sermons on television. :laugh: You are right he couldn't preach worth nothing, but he could sell tens of millions of bricks. :tonofbricks:
     
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    How is bus ministry conferences a gear of fundamentalism???
     
  11. go2church

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    Well who else is hosting bus ministry conferences but the fundamentalists?

    Falwell was used like all of us, in spite of our faults. Being public, we got to know his faults a bit better then someone else. But for the most part I have cool view toward Falwell. Don't recommend his school, his preaching, revisionist history or his politics.
     
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    I believe Bro. Falwell remained a fundamentalist to his last breath.As far as the Bakker thing goes if that were the only mistake I ever made I would think I did quite well. Bro. Jerry was a gracious man of God and a soft touch.I look forward to meeting him one day again in heaven.

    I think we have found a useful term to describe the difference between true classic fundamentalists and the Ultra -legalist -fundamentalist-onlyist movement, UFO or ultra fundamentalist onlyist.:godisgood:
     
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    I think the Reagan "I didn't leave the Democrats; they left me" applies here. As someone rightly pointed out on page 1, the UFBs give Fundamentalism a bad name.
     
  14. JamesBell

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    He may have changed, I don't really know. As I got older the only way I had to keep in contact with his ministry was by following Liberty and what they were doing. Thomas Road's television broadcast was must watch TV for me as a child, and stayed that way until it was no longer on the air in the area I live.

    From outward apperance, I would say he probably softened his views slightly to appeal to a larger audience but still always preached the cross and the need for a savior.
     
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    Amen, Brother Plain Old Bill -- Preach it! :thumbs:

    Check out the name of this thread:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=39754


    It is: Mr. Fundamentalism Dies

     
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    Falwell got Railroaded



    This is actually a topic of converstion amoung some alumni of the college he graduated from, Baptist Bible College in Springfield, MO. I did not know but he used to be a part of the BBFI until something happened, maybe the PTL thing, I don't know, that caused them to basically tell Falwell not to come back. I always thought he sought the SBC association and it would seem that it may have been forced upon him. No matter what, I don't have a problem with the man or the ministry. I believe that he honored God in ALL that he did.
     
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    Falwell Response by Jerry Vines

    Hey gang:

    It is a bit off the OP that I started but it well worth the read. And guess where it was found? In the SBC Press!

    Enjoy:

    http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=25691

    sdg!:thumbs:
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  18. John of Japan

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    In the interest of historical accuracy, I don't think the BBFI kicked him out. To the best of my knowledge the BBFI has no mechanism for kicking pastors out, since it is a pastors' fellowship and not a denomination. I may be wrong.

    I believe Brother Falwell kept close ties with some in the BBFI even after he joined the SBC, in particular Dr. John Rawlings. (Now there's a fascinating preacher, one of the old-time BBF men, a real mover and shaker in the fellowship.)
     
  19. John of Japan

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    Excellent article. :thumbs:
     
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    Falwell got Railroaded

    I never said that Falwell was kicked out, I said that they told him, rather rudely if you ask me, not to come back and fellowship with them. You cannot be kicked out of something that you are not an offical member of. Since the BBFI does not have membership process, only show up and be active, they did not revoke any membership standing. They simply, and very wrongly IMHO did not want to associate with him any longer.

    If I am not mistaken, he just quit coming to the fellowship meetings but still supported fellowship causes such as missionaries and the college. I personally think that what they did to Falwell should have been done to Sam Davidson in Oklahoma over what he actually did to the fellowship, but that is another story.
     

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