Jesus actor struck by lightning

Only for those who don't acknowledge the Bible as the authoritative guide to theology.

Mark Osgatharp

 

What an ungodly judgemental unbiblical attitude you have. I will pray for you, my brother.

 

What an ungodly judgemental unbiblical attitude you have. I will pray for you, my brother. </font>[/QUOTE]Johnv,

So Mike can say my statements are absurd, and he's OK.

You can say my statements are ungodly, judgmental, and unbiblical, and you're OK.

But if I say that Mikes statements reflect a disregard for the authority of the Bible, I'm ungoldy, judgmental, unbiblical.



Mark Osgatharp

 

No, your attitude was ungoldy, judgmental, unbiblical prior to that.

I find it interesting that, rather than acknowlege it, you point the finger and say "he did it first", which, in and of itself, is an admission.

 

How do my "statements reflect a disregard for the authority of the Bible"? When have I ever "reflect a disregard for the authority of the Bible"?

I happen to believe very much in the authority of the Bible. I just happen to disagree with your interpretation of it.

I post on a couple of other boards and, in all fairness to myself, I don't really understand how anyone can read my posts on teh WoF movement, Mormonism, homosexuality and evolution and not come away thinking that I have the utmost respect for the authority of scripture.

In fact, I've been attacked pretty harshly by WoF proponents amd Mormons precisely because I do believe in the authority of scripture.

 

And the fact that the person who portrayed Christ in the Last Temptation of Christ didn't get struck by lightening proves what? The fact that Usama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein haven't been struck proves what? The fact that most of the people who have been struck by lightenting never portrayed Jesus in any manner proves what?

Actually, the fact that this person was singled out proves that it was a random strike. Lightening ususally doesn't strike many folks at once does it?

Here is the heart of the problem. You claim that portraying Christ is a blasphemous act. Your entire theory is based off of this one statement. Can you prove that this is indeed blasphemous? No, you can't. Therefore your opinion of what happened to this man is flawed because it it based off a false assumption that can't be validated scripturally.

At least the actor of the movie is using the Bible for his script, determining what the Lord did and did not say and think and feel. You, however, are assuming to know the mind of God. You have no scriptural proof, you admit you have had no personal revelation from God telling you otherwise, so you are then speculating why God allowed this man to get struck by lightening. I find that much more appalling then reading a script based on scripture and provable fact.

I can create a computer program that will write my name every time you run it. Once the program is made, I do not need to personally write my name in order for it to function. If you bought my program, I "caused" my name to be written on your computer but I didn't personally "make it happen at that point and time." I let the program function as it was written. The results come when it has been run. Yes, God ultimatley "caused" it to happen, but he did it through his "creation." God can and does work outside of the natural realm of nature, that is because He is the creator of it. He is not sitting on his throne determining who he will hit with lightening today depending on who is being a good or bad boy. If someone is stupid enough to stand in the rain, they are at risk of getting hit by lightening.

If God had struck him with lightening on a bright sunny day while he was sitting in the saftey of his own home, you might have a better foundation for your argument.

And we know God did this specifically as a judgment because God's word tell us so. That was my point, when nature is used as judgment God declares it for us so there is no doubt. When the great earthquake comes in Revelation, everyone will be able to know it is from God.

He did to Ninevah, I don't deny that. Are you now going to suggest that everyone who ever died in an act of nature did so because it was a judgment from God? Each and every one them? If we are to believe your argument then that is what you are suggesting.

~Lorelei

[ October 29, 2003, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Lorelei ]

 

Yeah, and there would never have been an electrical shortage in California.

 

Proves what is amply illustrated in the Scriptures, that God's does sometimes sets some men up as examples (Sodom, Jezebel, etc.) while postponing the judgment of others.

According to the Scriptures all weather incidents are specific acts of God. There is nothing random about it.

Yes I can. The Scripture says,

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

I already confessed that I don't know with certainty God's reason for striking this man with lightening and have asked God to forgive me if I have taken His name in vain. However, since I know that God is the one who makes the lightening strike there is no speculation at all about that. I don't have to know why God did it to know that he did it.

Even computer programs must have a working force behind them to make them operate; we call it electricity (which is itself but one manifestation of the power of God). For that matter, the program itself is a form of artificial intelligence. Therefore, there isn't anything "random" about a computer program as you assert there is about the weather.

But we aren't talking about computer programs. We are talking about God's creation which He has repeatedly declared in His word to be under His absolute and moment by moment direction.

Yes, God is the one determining who He will hit with lightening today. It may not depend totally on whether they are good or bad. For all I know God may hit a good person with lightening to kill them and take them out of this wicked world. As Isaiah said,

"The righteous perisheth, and no one layeth it to heart; and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come."

Notwithstanding, even if God kills a righteous man for the purpose of sparing him some evil, it still doesn't change the fact that God did it.

But the passage I quoted from Nahum is a generalized statment: "The Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and the storm." You tell me which whirlwinds are excepted from that statement.

I am saying what the Scriptures abundantly teach, that every time a man dies it is because God withdrew breath from him. I am saying that every single minute event of nature is from the hand of God. I am saying that nothing in nature happens "radomly."

The only exception to this are the acts of men and angels and perhaps, though not so certainly, the acts of animals. Notwithstanding, even these acts are so moved by God as to fulfill His ultimate purpose.

What I am saying is that God is not a cosmic clock maker who wound up the clock at left it to run on it's one. Or, to use your analogy, I am saying that God is not a cosmic computer programer.

I am saying that God is intimately invovled in every detail of His creation at every moment. And I can sustain this propostion from Scripture.

I have already confessed to you that, perhaps, I was out of order to say that this particular event was God's punishment on this man. However, I will never confess that is is wholesome to portray the Lord in any shape, form, or fashion; and I will never confess that God is not in absolute control of the natural world.

If you still believe that nature is a random affair, then I commend the 104th Psalm for your sober reflection.

Mark Osgatharp