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Jesus and the Law

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by richardsherratt, Jun 24, 2004.

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  1. richardsherratt

    richardsherratt New Member

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    Is the following correct?

    Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    Christ has fulfilled the Law through his substitutory attonement, no more are blood sacrifices needed. The Old Law has been fulfilled and so applies no longer

    Matthew 5:19 "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

    We have just seen that the Old Testament Laws have been washed away through the blood of Christ so what commandments is Jesus talking about? Simple, the commandments that Jesus expounds:

    Matthew 5:21-22 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment."

    Matthew 5:38-41 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles."

    Matthew 5:43-44 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"

    Regards,
    Richard Sherratt
     
    #1 richardsherratt, Jun 24, 2004
  2. Daniel Dunivan

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    I think Matthew also means that Jesus "fulfills all righteousness" (only in Matt. does this conversation between Jesus and JtheB take place) through his actions, and his followers should do the same. More than legal fulfillment through the atonement.

    There is a definate tension in the NT between the fulfillment of the law vs. the destruction of the law. Look at Eph. 2:11-21. Here Jesus' cross is described as breaking down the wall between Jews and Gentiles--namely the law. I wonder if we shouldn't take these as two sides of the same issue. When the law is used for exclusionary purposes then it falls outside the fulfillment Jesus gives it. When we reject the law in order to justify our actions, then we again find ourselves outside Jesus' fulfillment of the law.

    Grace and Peace, Danny [​IMG]
     
    #2 Daniel Dunivan, Jun 24, 2004
  3. HankD

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    All the law (613 elements) must be kept perfectly or one is cursed.

    In 70AD it became impossible to keep the Law (even if one were morally able) because the Temple and Levitical priesthood ceased to exist and many of the precepts to be kept depended upon these two entities.

    It's a no-brainer , Jesus Christ apart from from the Law (which can't be kept anyway).


    HankD
     
    #3 HankD, Jun 24, 2004
  4. wopik

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    There are 613 laws in the Hebrew Scripture, but many of them could only be performed by the priests, when the Temple stood.

    The 613 commandments were not for all Jews. Most were only for the priests during the temple era. Commandments that cannot be observed today primarily relate to the Temple, its sacrifices and services (because the Temple does not exist) and criminal procedures and the Sanhedren (special Jewish court) no longer exists.

    Christians today are still to seek and to live a righteous life.
     
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    richardsherratt

    why do people post and never come back to discuss it ?
     
    #5 wopik, Jul 3, 2004
  6. HankD

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    By faith and the Law is not of faith.

    Galatians 3:
    10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
    11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
    12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

    HankD
     
    #6 HankD, Jul 5, 2004
  7. GODzThunder

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    The purpose of the LAW was to let all know that God is a high and moral being. He is HOLY. The law reveals to us the fullness of our sinfulness through our shortcomings. Men were guilty of sin long before the law was given so it is not failing to be obedient to the exact aspects of the law that makes us sinners. When Jesus said he fulfilled the law and the prophets he was telling us that our shortcomings that have caused us to fall short of the glory of God has been fulfilled. Through his salvation we are redeemed and are reconciled to God.

    We are still and have always been commanded to live a holy life. Since the days of Adam man has been created to love and serve God.

    Also note that the law and the prophets are a testimony to Christ. His coming and dying on the cross was fulfillment of that testimony and prophecy. He was telling Israel that he did not come to bring contridiction to the law or to challenge and rebel against the law, which is what he was being accused of by the pharisees and thus causing this sermon, but that he was fulfilling the purpose of prophecy and scripture. He IS the law!
     
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  8. wopik

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    Paul said: "Awake to righteousness and sin not."

    What is sin? "Sin is the transgression of the law" - 1 Jn 3:4.

    What law? Paul said the law showed him what sin was -- I would have not known sin except by the law; for I would not have know what it is to covet if the law had not said, "Thou shall not covet". - Rom 7:7.

    ".....all your commandments are righteousness" (Psalms 119:172).


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    The Lord is righteous - Lam. 1:18 / 1 Jn 2:1

    The righteous Lord loves righteousness - Psalms 11:7.

    Peter said: "In every nation, he that fears Him and works righteousness is accepted with Him" - Acts 10:35.


    "will you also destroy the righteous with the wicked?" (Gen. 18:23).


    Noah lived a righteous life; God saved him (hint) - Gen. 7:1. Noah obeyed God; Noah believed God.

    Paul said: "Awake to righteousness and sin not."
     
    #8 wopik, Jul 17, 2004
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