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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Jun 9, 2014.

  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    I certainly think it is possible to listen to Calvinists. Sometimes they are spot on. Other times, not so much.

    The caution we must consider is that Calvinists play fast and loose with scripture in order to bend it into supporting their mistaken man-made doctrine. But we we skip soterology (dreaded TULI) and end times (dreaded amillennialists) they can certainly help us to grow in our understanding of God's word.
     
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    "Charismatic Chaos"??? What the heck are you talking about??
     
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    My favorite commentary is Albert Barnes, he was Presbyterian and a Calvinist.

    That said, he did not believe in Original Sin, just like me.

    On Romans 5:19;

    I agree with what Albert Barnes said here concerning Romans 5:19 perfectly, and he was a Calvinist.
     
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    Yes that's me. Calvinistic DISP.
     
  5. Yeshua1

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    that if the only choices were between Charasmatic theology and Reformed, I would choose reformed!
     
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    Don't think one can be a proper Calvinist/reformed, and deny original Sin though!
     
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    Where in the world did you get the idea I espouse "Charismatic Theology"??? I'm not sure they even have a theology!!
     
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    I wasn;t, just was reacting to your posting about how was reformed theology to be seen as a better way to go?

    Just saying that its much better then traditional Charasmatic views!
     
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    They do, its mainly a jumble of 5 fold ministries, modern day Apostles/prophets, word of faith, prosperity, new revelations etc!
     
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    Like I said, I'm not even sure they have a theology! And if'n they do, I ain't a subscriber.
     
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    If Benny Hinn is a representative of the Charismatic movement:
    He believes there are nine persons in the trinity (three in each person).
    That each believer is divine. "We are all little gods running around on this earth."
    That Christ took on Satan's nature in the atonement.

    You can find about more about the belief's of Benny Hinn here:
    http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/hinn/general.htm
     
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    You'd have to ask Dr. Barnes, which might be tough. He was Presbyterian, that's about as Calvinist as you can get.

    He simply couldn't find Original Sin in the scriptures and he was open about that.

    And he was right.
     
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    Barnes on Psalm 51:5
    Are you sure about your hasty conclusions?
     
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    Barnes was accused of heresy and tried because of his views on Romans 5;

    Barnes simply said that Romans 5:12 does not say all men sinned in Adam, or that his sin was imputed to us.

    Barnes admits all men have become corrupt, but he denies that the Bible anywhere teaches that Adam's sin is imputed to us.

    And I agree with that, I believe all men will choose to sin and corrupt themselves. I do not believe Psa 51:5 is teaching that, and Psa 58:3 is hyperbole, newborn babies cannot speak, much less form the intent to lie. But all men when they mature will choose to sin.
     
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    Hell-bound false doctrine? Because the are United Methodist or because they are Arminian? I'm asking with all sincerity. I really would like to know how you've come to this assessment of that particular church.
     
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    Again, no calvinist would deny original Sin as being a biblical truth, fo r if you had children, you know even as infants, their sin natures do act up!

    And while barnes MIGHT have meant what you claim he did in that passage, DHK made it clear that he did hold to original Sin!
     
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    Many of their teachers hold to Jesus death was as a sinner, his divine side had left Him, and that he had to get born again in Hell!

    They use that to reinforce since Jesus did His stuff as a birn again man, we can do the exact same things once born again!

    Also, almost all hold to modern Prophets/Apostles, so there has been ongoing 'revelations" from the Lord, and of course, those all agree with them!
     
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