As far back as I can remember, this C/A stuff has been going on since I joined the BB. So much bad blood has been initiated, a lot of words that shouldn't have been said has been said, and all that kind of dung. And for what ? I think this is all an exercise in futility, because we speak and argue as if Christ has NOT ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING. There is not one poster on this board who does not know the gospel, does not know the events leading to the crucifixion, does not know about the virgin birth, or the massacre of innocents by Herod, does not know about the prophecies that were fulfilled regarding Christ, His Person, His Deity, His humanity, His death, His Resurrection, and everything that the Bible says about Him. Many posters on this board have some sort of title written before their names, whether they tack it on to their monickers or not. IOW, nobody on this board is ignorant of anything that Christ is and has accomplished, yet we all speak as if Christ were still in the process of saving souls, the cross has not happened, the tomb is not empty, and eternal salvation is a legend. Fact No. 1 is that Christ FINISHED what He was sent by His Father to do, and what Scriptures says is the reason He shall be called Jesus: HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS. Matthew 1:21, and I dare anyone, right now, right here, to come out and say: NO HE DID NOT FINISH WHAT HE WAS SENT BY HIS FATHER TO DO, and NO HE HASN'T SAVED HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS. Any takers ? Fact No. 2 is that BY HIS BLOOD HE ENTERED INTO THE HOLY PLACE ONCE FOR ALL, HAVING OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR US. (Hebrews 9:12). So I would like those who think this Scripture is not really saying what it is saying to educate this ape man on why the phrase having obtained does not mean that the job was or is done. Fact no. 3 is that THE TOMB IS EMPTY, in fact, nobody even knows where the tomb is, because where it is is less important than its being empty which testifies to the resurrection of a Savior, and one who accomplished His mission, of which the resurrection is the testimony. The Scripture says: And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: (Romans 1:4). If there are no takers, then all agree that (1) Jesus Christ came and accomplished what He was sent by His Father to do. Here's where we will more than likely part ways: If He did accomplish what He was sent to do, that is, redeem His people, then there is NO MORE REDEEMING THAT IS GOING ON, and there is NO MORE SAVING SOULS FROM THE WRATH OF GOD IN ETERNITY going on. He IS a SAVIOR of A PEOPLE, and these people are those whom He foreknew, predestined to be conformed to His image, called, justified, and glorified (Romans 8:29-30), whose names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world, and anything else said that will rob Him of His glory in accomplishing what no one is able to accomplish and justifying any saving work being done in His Name today is pure semantics and rebellion against Him, or just outright inability to rightly divide the word. Nothing personal against anyone, but I also say these with no apologies.