Jesus Christ on Spreading the Wealth

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  1. JustChristian

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    Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
    Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
    Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
    Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
     
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    My Bible tells me not to feed the man who won't work. Did Jesus contradict that ?
     
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    You've ignored the context of that passage and to whom Jesus was speaking. Was He speaking to his followers, or was He speaking to the leaders of the civil government? Who is the King that He was referencing? Was He referring to the current King of the civil government, or was He referring to Himself as King of Kings and Lord of Lords? If you keep reading the context of the passage will answer that last question for you (hint read verses 41-46 as well).

    But hey don't let me stop you from making the Scripture say what it never said in the first place. Twist away to your personal experience and feelings' content.

    No one here is saying that we should not do these things. However, we are saying that it is not up to the civil government to take from one group who works hard for what they earn and redistribute it to those who do not. It is the responsibility of the church and individual believers to care for the needy.
     
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    Also, I thought you liberals hated mixing the bible with politics.....
     
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    Sorry......wrong thread.....
     
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    Your such an obama supporter you don't mind mutalating scripture.
    This is talking about christians and charity and taking care of others. NOT about the governement taking away everything, owning everything, not about socialism and communism (which denies the reality and existance of God).


    As we've seen when it comes to liberals, they are one and the same. You can tell when they think they can change scripture.
     
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    If you knew the Bible, you would know that this is an account of the Final Judgment. The Judge (Christ) is speaking to both his followers and in the next section, to those who have rejected Him. I've clarified my argument 2 or 3 times here but here it is again. I personally would far prefer that individual Christians or the Church collectively take care of the poor and needy. It's obvious that's never going to happen. For instance, do you think your church could (or would) pick up the kind of support Medicare and Medicaid recipients need? No. Not possible.

    Therefore, when Christians vote against having the government provide these services they are rejecting aiding the poor. Instead they clamor for increasing our military spending which is already equal to that for the rest of the world combined. See my point? Jesus was looking at what those who were being judged had done for the poor. My belief is we can accomplish this throgh supporting action on the national level.
     
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    Read my explanation. You're so focussed on selfishly keeping everything God has given you you're unwilling to help others in the only feasible way. Oh, and what are you doing? Trying to win a Sarah Palin look-alike award?
     
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    This is an intentional fallacy.
     
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    No she s not. Yet another intentional fallacy from you. Communism is not the only feasible way. What you lefties do not get is that there isnt enough money fro the wealthy in all the world for there to be any feasible way to "solve" the plight of the poor. Because the problem isnt money it is much greater than that. But folks like you buy into the lie that money is all you need,

    As has been proven Conservatives give more from their pockets on their own than do liberals.
     
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    God told individual Christians to be helpful to the poor, not to the lazy. As Bro. Curtis said, if a man will not work, he should not expect others to feed him (I'm paraphrasing).

    If we empower the government to care for the poor, we end up with generations of people living on welfare and government handouts. I'm not against some government involvement in some circumstances, but individuals are responsible for doing what they can to help themselves. Then other should step in and give them a hand if needed.

    Also, many people are down and out because they are in rebellion against God. In that instance, to help them might work contrary to what God is trying to do in their lives to allow them to see their need for His grace.
     
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    Yes sir, exactly right!:thumbs:

    What the libs are arguing and have since Karl Marx is that those who are in need of help are there because the rich have gotten rich off the backs of the poor. Therefore we should spread the wealth (economic justice) in order to right the wrong done by the wealthy.


    I make their argument better than they do.:laugh:
     
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    We help the poor and the destitute if they ask for help. Our church has a benevolence fund, but here is the 1st rule: The person asking for help must sit down and listen to the Plan of Salvation and make a decision either for or against Christ. The help will follow. Our job as Christians is to bring the lost to Christ FIRST AND FOREMOST.

    Those who don't work shouldn't expect to eat - that is what my Jesus said. My Mother, the second authority in my life on this earth said: GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES. She was a child of the depression, and she worked hard for what she had. If it were possible, she and my Daddy would be turning over in their graves if they heard of a Baptist votingh for this liberal candidate who wants to give everything away and socailize our government. Those are COMMUNIST words, and my Dad HATED COMMUNISM. Do you?
     
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    where in the world do you get this, you sure didn't get it from anything I posted, another item you have conviently made up, made up= lying.
    Don't you think you've gone beyond argueing for obamas as president and starting personal attacks now.
     
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    socialism is the first step to communism, and communism is anti God, the official religion of communism is altheism, and this is what christians are promoting. How much shame will they bring on the name of Christ, they support murdering infants, abortion, homosexual marriage, socialism, communism, and atheism, taking everythng we got and givng it out as welfare so lazy people don't have to work.
     
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    Aren't you the same person who decries how conservatives in the Church make those who vote Democratic feel less than Christian - how it divides the Body, etc.? And yet, you turn around and try to make those who don't vote Democratic feel as if they are violating Matthew 25 and are bad Christians (or maybe not even Christians at all). I think it is safe to say that you are a hypocrite.
     
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    double post
     
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    Where did Jesus say anything about the government?

    And furthermore...how is it you know what I do to help the poor? I cannot begin to tell you how arrogant and presumtive that is.
     
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    Our wonderful comrade loves to twist the scripture to justify electing a communist as our next president.
     
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    YOu are promoting stealing from hard working people to give to lazy bums.

    That is not the same as charity that Christ was referring to...

    So is stealing from working people your way of feeding the poor?
     

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