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Featured Jesus Died For ALL our sins, so what does refusal to confess Do?

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  1. JonC

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    I wouldn't say that it is the basis of the salvation that separates. There is a wide array of beliefs that would be non-Calvinistic, so you will probably find areas of agreement and disagreement across the board. Insofar as Arminianism, it may be the mode of election (God elects those who will believe - election not being prescriptive but based on a pre-knowledge of events that are truly contingent). Others reject individual election altogether. But the basis of salvation is consistently Christ, regardless of these theological differences.
     
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    It is in the Bible. Therefore it is literal. What other "way" could there be?
     
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  3. Yeshua1

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    as the Genesis discussions show though, literal means different things to different people!
     
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    I read a book called Elect i the Son while at AoG college, seemed to be traditional Arminian view that God elected his plan to save sinners by the Gospel, but God did NOT choose who would be in that plan, that is left up to us! IF we decide for jesus, THAT decision makes us now elect!
     
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    That's the problem. You let people define words for their own benefit, then they start defining theology for their own benefit.

    :rolleyes: :BangHead:
     
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    That's the gist of what I get from Arminianism. Except that its articles do not deny that the elect were elected prior to that decision to believe...although it appears it is because of that decision. Some do take it be that God electing before the foundation of the world those who would believe is simply God establishing His plan before the foundation of the world to save those who will decide to put their faith in Christ. But just like Calvinism, Arminianism comes in 31 flavors. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Seems to boil down to Election is causal in a sinner received Jesus thru faith, based upon Will of God election/regeneration /faith
    OR

    Election caused by our fath/regeneration/election!
     
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    I'd say that it comes down to election based on the sinner's decision or based on God's own choosing. Election (if you believe in individual election) is ultimately founded in God's election of man or man's election of God.
     
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  9. Yeshua1

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    either we chose Jesus first, then God accepts that choice for election, or else we have been elected and chosen out by God Himself from eternity past!
    Could this foreknowledge arminian view be where some of the impetus for open theism , Molonism stems from?
     
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    While I believe open theism certainly differs from Arminianism, they do seem to share the same understanding regarding the mode of divine knowledge. I don’t know if open theism developed out of an Arminian view.
     
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    perhaps not, but since both try so hard tomaintain human free will in full sense, wouldn't both be giving God somehow not fully knowing who will get saved until they get saved?
     
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    Ohhhh, I see! It's 'confess', not 'coness' (admins corrected it) :D

    So QF, is the above a 'one time only' procedure that one performs 'one time only' to become 'saved'? Or is it a way of life, you know, like along the lines of 'denying oneself and taking up their cross daily and following Christ'?
     
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    a sinner get justified by grace of god immendiantly when saved by him, at moment of receiving Jesus thru faith, but also has a life long saunctification process going forward, also done by and thru by His grace!
     
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    Are you posting from your phone all the time?
     
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    Crystalize this with scripture. Make it plain to me from scripture that there's been no act of grace prior to confession.....

    ....explain Abraham's status prior to Gen 15:6

    ....or Cornelius's status prior to Acts 10

    ....or those 'devout Jews' status prior to Pentecost Acts 2

    ....or Nathanael's status prior to Jn 1:47

    Were these regenerate or unregenerate prior to confession?

    It's obvious there's more than just 'sanctification' involved in these passages:

    ......to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him: if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, Col 1:22,23

    Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God`s goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Ro 11:22

    Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand, by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain. 1 Cor 15:1,2

    but Christ as a son, over his house; whose house are we, if we hold fast our boldness and the glorying of our hope firm unto the end...... for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end: Heb 3:6,14

    'Confession' is NOT just a one time only event, it is a way of life taken up daily that must be CONTINUED, one must HOLD FAST to the gospel that they believed in.

    CONFESSION NOT A ONE TIME EVENT, IT IS A WAY OF LIFE
     
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    Most of the time!
     
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    regeneration /faith gifts from god, happen same time pretty much, as NO regenerated person walking around also not saved too!

    And Jesus as High Priest makes sure that we will stick it out unto the end, as its HIS work that saved and keeps us being saved!
     
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    Scripture JesusFan, give me scripture. Your words are empty, they mean nothing to me when it comes to doctrine.

    While you're finding that scripture...

    ....explain Abraham's status prior to Gen 15:6

    ....or Cornelius's status prior to Acts 10

    ....or those 'devout Jews' status prior to Pentecost Acts 2

    ....or Nathanael's status prior to Jn 1:47

    Were these regenerate or unregenerate prior to confession?
     
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    ....explain Abraham's status prior to Gen 15:6

    ....or Cornelius's status prior to Acts 10

    ....or those 'devout Jews' status prior to Pentecost Acts 2

    ....or Nathanael's status prior to Jn 1:47

    Were these regenerate or unregenerate prior to confession?
     
    #39 kyredneck, Feb 21, 2014
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    Lost, none are regenerated apart from also being saved!
     
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