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Featured Jesus Died For ALL our sins, so what does refusal to confess Do?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Feb 19, 2014.

  1. kyredneck

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    No change with you, you provide no scripture, there's no indication on your part of any thought or meditation of your own concerning the deep truths of scripture, you just parrot the status quo of the evangelicals. Let's take it one at a time, I'll make it easier for you; concerning Abraham only:

    Was it an unrighteous man that Jehovah called out of Mesopotamia years before Gen 15:6, appeared to several times, and announced blessings upon?

    Was it an unregenerate man that built an altar to Jehovah at Shechem years before Gen 15:6?

    Was it to a dead alien sinner that Melchizedek pronounced 'Blessed be Abram of God Most High' years before Gen 15:6?

    I think not. God had already wrought within him as revealed in Jn 3.

    Now explain to me how Abraham could have been a 'natural man' prior to Gen 15:6.

    C'mon JesusFan/Dechaser1/Yeshua1, think outside of the box.
     
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  2. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    Explain to me how Abraham could have been a 'natural man' prior to Gen 15:6.
     
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    I understand open theists to mean that God knows all that there is to know, but contingent events are unknowable (so God does not know) - but Arminianism does not necessarily go that far as they affirm a pre-knowledge of these contingent events. But the mode of that divine knowledge is still the same.
     
  4. Yeshua1

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    can regenerate sinners still not be also saved?

    Doesn't the Lord regenerate a sinner unto salvation?

    ANY NT passage showing us when both didi not occur at same time?
     
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    so calvinists would see this as God knowing all things to still come, based upon Him , thru determining and prermitting, things to happen as he already has ordained...

    Arminian that God knows what is to happen, based upon foreknowlede, but more he would not sdtermine, ut allow us 'free will"

    Open theists would be that God so allowed for Free will, that He chose to limit His knowledge to experencing future as we do, totally reacting to what we decide to do first?
     
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    many, i've posted many times, contrary to you that have posted zilch nada none zero showing that the two ocur simultaneously as you claim.
     
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    When are we regenerated? When we are made alive together with Christ!

    When are we made alive together with Christ. When God puts us in Christ!
    When are we saved? When we undergo the circumcision of Christ!
    When do we undergo the circumcision of Christ? When we are baptized into His death!
    When are we baptized into His death? When we are baptized into Christ!
    When are we baptized into Christ. When God has the Holy Spirit set us apart in Christ!
    When does God set us apart in Christ? When God credits our faith as righteousness!
    When are we justified? When are we forgiven? When are we saved? When are we redeemed? When are we regenerated? When are we sealed with the Holy Spirit? When are we predestined to adoption, the redemption of our bodies? The answer is the same in all cases: When God chooses us for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
     
  8. Yeshua1

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    Again, therre are NO regenerated sinners in bible who did not also get saved by that happening to them?

    Where is that example again?
     
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    They don't, and Calvin himself did not believe that to be the case:
     
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    Scripture is clear, we are set apart in Christ, where we are regenerated, made alive, made holy and blameless and perfect, through faith in the truth. You do not enter a room through a door unless you first go through the door, then into the room. Thus every verse that says we are saved through faith teaches absolutely faith before regeneration and salvation, and justification and whatever else folks throw in to muddy the water. It is crystal.
     
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    Regardless if you have the sequencing as regeneration produces faith, or faith produced regeneration, truth is thay are flip sides of same coin, they are NBOTH the work of God Himself in and thru the Holy Sprit in life of a sinner, and that there are NOT any persons in Bible or today just one or the other!

    And wouldn't Calvin sound "arminian" in that quote, so why do some see him as beinga "heretic?"
     
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    again, how can those spiritual dead, unable to come to Jesu by themselves, unable to give themselves new hearts in order to place faith in him, do that themselves?
     
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    Yeshua1, how can you ask the same question and never acknowledge the plain and simple answer? Being spiritually dead means the person is separated from God, but does not mean they are unable to hear and understand God's revelation. Recall Matthew 13:1-23? The four soils, three of which received the gospel, but only one was saved? Therefore some unregenerate, spiritually dead people can hear and understand the gospel. Your assertion has again been shown by scripture to be mistaken. What is this, the 100th time?? What about Matthew 23:13 and the men who were entering heaven, thus seeking God while spiritually dead? You have been shown this verse over and over, too!

    You deny God credits our faith as righteousness or not!
    You deny God sets us apart in Christ!
    You deny we are made alive - regenerated - together with Christ, i.e. when we are placed in Christ.
    You deny we are chosen by God for salvation through faith in the truth!
     
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    This was in regards to Judith asking Quantum if Romans 10:9 is to be taken literal - I presume referring to "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth"...

    If literal, the next question would then be, What if the person cannot speak? No hope eh?

    Sorry if I took your punch line Judith. ;)
     
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    To which I say ...

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    Take that! :laugh:
     
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    :thumbsup:
     
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    What is the idea of needing to confess with our mouth before men to be saved? Surely, we are not saved by works but by faith. So, as James pointed out, we show our faith by our works. If we are not willing to risk ridicule and marginalization, we lack faith in Christ.
     
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    ONLY the last person in the parable of the Sower/seed was actually saved though, and that was due to God making his herat a fertile ground to hve word cast into!

    matthew 23:13 does NOT address whether they were elceted or not by God, but was saddressing tha Pharisees being false teachers, NOT leading and teaching the ways of the lord!
     
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    As usual, nonsense. Three, not one, three not one, three not one, received the gospel. Your mistaken view claims only one would receive the gospel, the others would reject it because they hate God. Totally false.

    And again in Matthew 23:13, it does not matter whether they were elect or not, take you pick. If elect, and therefore being compelled by irresistible grace according to your mistaken Calvinism, they were blocked. Thus the grace needed to be "entering heaven" was not irresistible. And if they were not elect, and they were not, then they were "entering heaven" by seeking God, something again you claim will not happen. So yet again, you have denied scripture and posted nonsense.
     
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    Actually, jesus was commenting tht thePharisees, so called teachers of the law, were pervertin git, seeking to get right with God by own works, not relying upon the spirit, but letter of the law!
    So he was stating that they were hindering/blocking others to come to God due to them teaching heresy and falsehood, and NOT the right way God required!

    ALL about them, not the others seeking to come to God, that isa seperate issue!
     
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