Jesus's Wine Fermented or NOT?

NO WAY!!

That is too weird, even here in NC we keep the moonshine in the trunk till after services.

 

First of all I don't think that you meant to categorize my stand on nonalcoholic wine as lies. So I give you a pass here.

It would be amiss of us to limit the technology of their day. My goodness these are the people that had knowledge of aqueducts and some rudimentary use of steam. It stands to reason that they knew how to make pottery air tight and leak proof.

 

I'll throw in my two cents worth here and then leave this dead horse for others to beat up on. One of the pioneers of whiskey distilling in Kentucky was a Baptist minister named Elijah Craig. He lived at what is now Georgetown, just north of Lexington, and died in 1808. He is widely credited with developing Kentucky Bourbon whiskey, although this product actually came along somewhat later. Tim, I think you are right about the temperance movement. The idea that use of alcohol is somehow a tainted activity did not exist before the temperance ladies made their impact on our culture.

 

An impossibility without pasteurization (which was created in the 1800...not in biblical times as was alluded here in this thread). Fermentation takes place immediately after the yeast and sugar come in contact with each other, which means as soon as it's pressed. Even boiling the wine after fermentation would still ferment due to ariborne yeast. The result would be something disgustingly horrific...and Isaiah 25:6 describes what the "best" wine is (that the Lord of Hosts will serve us), well aged wine (the same as today). Jesus turned water into this best wine. That was part of what made His miracle such a miracle...that He could take water and turn it into the best, aged wine...not the "new" wine that was consumed after only a couple weeks of fermentation. We are talking years in the aging process, btw.

 

Matt. 2:23 says Joseph and Mary and Jesus "and came and lived in a city called Nazareth. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets; 'He shall be called a Nazarene." (bold for emphasis, not yelling)

Matthew states the "prophets" proclaimed Jesus would be called a "Nazarene" and/or come from Nazareth.

The only problem is that I can't find any place in the O.T. where the Messiah is to come from Nazareth or is to be called a "Nazarene". Either Matthew made a mistake (I don't think so) or something else is meant by the passage.

However, I realize I could be wrong. If you find those passages that predict the Messiah was to be called a "Nazarene" and/or was to come from Nazareth, let me know where they are so I can rethink my position.

The fact is that Matthew doesn't mention a specific prophet here, as he does elsewhere, which may indicate a general prophecy concerning the kind of person the Messiah is to be...i.e a "Nazarite". The "nazarites" are found in Numbers 6, and generally speak of one who will be completely devoted to God during a specific period of time (the time of the vow).

There are parallels between the birth of Jesus and the birth of Samson, a nazarite, (Judges 13), even to the point of the angel proclaiming that his (the angel) is named "wonderful".

I am, however, not trying to be dogmatic about this theory. It seems helpful, IMHO, to explain what Matthew was saying in 2:23.

peace to youraying:

 

The way it was passed on to me was one of the members owned a still, and would bring 'the recipe" on communion Sunday... of course this was before the temperance movement.

 

No slander was intended Palatka, I was already typing my post when you posted yours. I was only referring to myself. I cannot teach my children something I don't believe to be true just because its for their own good, something that was done to me as a child many times.

I don't agree with your view but it is compatible with scripture and I don't believe you are lying about anything.

 

Guess what? 'Nother 'booze' thread:

Check this out;

http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Africa/South_Africa/photo185398.htm

And:



Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on this posters on this thread, which, BTW, I haven't even bothered to read, after about two posts, figuring all the 'usual suspects' would soon show up with all the usual comments posted.

I mean, after all, I have lately missed seeing what was the usual thread every 3 or 4 months over my three years on the BB.

Ed

 

Please use the search function. I'm sure there are oodles of pages dedicated to this subject.

 

But, I must say...since a member or two has been given a vacation, these threads are not as numerous, and certainly not as contentious.

 

This definitely is true. :thumbs:

Ed

 

how is these threads grow like weeds and good threads on topics that truly matter to Baptist theology and doctrine wither and die from a lack of substantive posts? One more thing I'll never understand.

 

Amen. I'll drink to that!

 

Leviticus 10:9
"Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:"

 

In context, of course...

 

"Guiness...its' whats for dinner"

You don't even need the stew, it's so filling