Jimmy Carter wins Nobel Peace Prize

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    OSLO, Norway - Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for his peace mediation efforts and promotion of human rights.

    The award — worth 10 million Swedish kronor (US$1 million) — singled out Carter's "vital contribution" to the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt and his efforts in conflict resolution on several continents and the promotion of human rights after his presidency.

    Carter, the 39th U.S. president, welcomed the award, saying the Nobel Prize "encourages people to think about peace and human rights."
     
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    COngrats for Mr Carter. It's well-deserved.
     
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    Who got the better deal on that peace plan...? Egypt would be occupied by Israel right now if Cater hadn't interfered. In fact maybe by now the whole region would be more stabilized and we wouldn't be having these problems. Everything Carter touched during his tenure, he ruined.

    I voted for him, so I can trash him now. I will give him some credit for the habitat thing but he still has no business going to these other countries and making fools out of us. I would like to see him return to being a peanut farmer in Georgia...where he belongs.
     
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    President Carter was the most moral man to occupy the White House in many, many years.

    He has lived his faith in the Lord. I think this is a well-deserved award. He has represented the United States very well. I, as one foreigner, looked more kindly on the USA than under other presidencies, and I have seen a few.

    I was particularly interested in seeing him at our former Prime Minister's funeral and his friendly meeting with Fidel Castro, of Cuba.

    God bless you, Mr. Carter.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Good for him. It was long overdue.
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    The way to peace is paved with the threat of war and sometimes going to war. He never understood that.

    Now today we learn that he might have won as a message to Bush. I didn't think he deserved it for the stupidity of the Camp David Accords.

    No, this was a political move at shutting down America's resolve to fight against Terrorism. I hate that the Powers that be once again used innocent little Jimmy thus making him a political bully pit to speak from. His ignorance on how political organizations use him and his name never ceases to amaze me. Go back to farming Mister President and keep your mouth shut.
     
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    And let's not forget it was Carter who did nothing as Cleric lead Iran gain the psychological power over America when he refused to defend our honor with the hostages in the 80's. That lead to the war with Iraq which brought us into giving Iraq the power it has today. And both these countries today spit on our resolve to defend ourselves. Thanks for nothing President Carter.
     
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    No offense Jim, but the foriegn policy of Carter,(and other administrations), of worrying more about what other countries thought of us and not going with our convictions is what got us in the mess....and I mean mess....of the late 70's. As for Carter winning the NPP, big deal, he fits in nicely with those of that catagory. The winners in the physics and medicine catagories will be much more deserved but I doubt we will remember their names.
     
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    WASHINGTON, D.C. (BWA) – The Baptist World Alliance, the global organization of Baptists has praised Baptist leader, former President Jimmy Carter on his Nobel Peace Prize Award.

    Denton Lotz, BWA General Secretary, said: “On behalf of millions of Baptists worldwide it gives me great honor to send you congratulations on your selection as a Nobel Peace Prize winner. For years we have prayed that the world would recognize you in this way because we know of no other person who has been such a great example of peace in the world. Your commitment and dedication to carrying out the Christian principles of justice and righteousness mean so much to so many of our brothers and sisters who themselves are suffering from religious persecution.

    Thank you for not being ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Your witness, not only in the USA but all over the world, has been an encouragement to many people. Not only have you talked about Christ’s love but your actions have spoken even louder. The fact that you helped eradicate river blindness in Africa is an example of your commitment to the principle of Christ's call in Matthew 25.

    Your support and encouragement of the Baptist World Alliance means a lot to me and to all of our brothers and sisters worldwide. Please accept this letter as a sign of our appreciation and love for you. May the peace and joy of Christ surround you in a very special way.”

    Carter was the first recipient of the BWA Human Rights Award in 1995, awarded at the 17th Baptist World Congress, Buenos Aires, Argentina.

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    Hope this does not tread on any American political toes,but Jimmy Carter has my respect
    yours, Jon
     
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    Whole heartedly concure! [​IMG] He deserves the peace price much better that the former winner, Mr. Yasser Araffat. :(

    Alphabetical Listing of Noble Peace Prize Laureates
     
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    I have to disagree with this statement.

    I will not go into conjecture on what may have been had Carter not involved himself with Middle East politics but speaking as a Republican voting, conservative-minded American, I will add my voice of praise to others here concerning President Carter.

    Let's look back on what was happening at the time that Mr. Carter took office. The people felt (and reasonably so) that they had been betrayed by the White House administration that preceeded Carter. Our national morale was at an all time low because of the sting of Watergate and the lies and cover ups that followed. We did not trust our government anymore.

    The Arab nations allied themselves and formed OPEC, a situation the US was powerless to fight at the time. It was Jimmy Carter that first made us aware of the neccessity of conservation of energy. We no longer took it for granted that all we had to do was turn up the thermostat and the heat would come on. There was a real cause and effect that we had always ignored because of our gluttonous mercantile philosophy. Carter's fireside chats and public campaigns EDUCATED America about this issue and as a result, we still have an awareness of the conservation of energy.

    The Middle Eastern nations also had a rash of many dictatorial leaders rising to power, again, something over which the US had no control. If we ever had a chance to stop the rise of Khommeni and Khadaffi it was certainly not in the short time Carter was in ofice, it would have been in the years that preceeded.

    The failed attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran was an embarrassment to be sure, but again, can we really blame Carter? The Pentagon had been stripped of much of its authority and resources because of the anti-Vietnam/anti-military attitude that wass residual from the Johnson and Nixon years. Carter was NOT flying the helicopters and was not a military man. Though the failed rescue happened under his administration it was not conducted by joint cheifs of his choosing.

    The media was also quite unkind to the president. Remember the rabbit that swam out towards Carter's boat during a fishing trip? That was an EXTREMELY unnatural way for a rabbit to act and the odds are it was in the final stages of dementia from rabies to act in such a way. Carter acted in a way that ANY human with common sense and a knowledge of wildlife would have. Instead of presenting this truth, the media blasted his actions treating him like an animal hating sadist. What a bunch of urban dipsticks!

    The Playboy interview was probably a bad judgment call on the part of Carter, but wasn't his honesty somewhat refreshing? He admitted that though Christian he had weaknesses in a Scriptural light. He certainly seemed to handle them better than some of his antecedents and certainly better than some who followed him!

    As for Israel taking over Egypt, post-it, doesn't this counter your strong affirmation of Romans 13? If God had wanted a Jewish leader at the helm of Egypt, wouldn't he have put one there?

    Jimmy Carter was not only one of the more moral men we've had in office in the past century but he was also possibly the brightest since Jefferson. He was a victim of many circumstances but I suspect that history will look quite favorably on him.

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    Some Americans may not think it is important how the world views the USA. Think about the close ties between Canada and the USA. As goes America, so goes Canada. We are integrally connected, though quite independent nations. Our economies are inter-connected as huge trade partners. Our peoples interconnect morally and socially.

    When the September 11th tragedy happened, Canadians were speedy to respond with support. Many Canadians dropped what they were doing and went to New York. Radio stations began fund raising instantly. This was not done because you were hit, but because of who you are to us.

    Yes, it does matter who is at the helm. We do not always see the faults one may find in a man in leadership, but we do see the man. Even in Clinton, we noticed an attempt at religious endeavor, and we very much noticed his closeness to his daughter and the direction she took. There must have been something there behind the looseness in morality in office.

    What America does matters, at least to this Canadian, and I always admired Mr. Carter. His faith has worked beyond his time in office. His gentleness and his generosity embodies the great ideals established at the beginning of your nation. The determination to not only do good, but to be good. God bless America; and God continue to bless Mr. Carter and his family.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Jim,
    Please dont interpret my post as a knock on Canada, Canadians, or U.S. allies in general. My point is, Nixon is the one who started and Carter the one who perfected it into a political art, the practice of consulting, negotiating, and talking to death any decision where leadership was needed instead of rhetoric. He wouldnt scratch his (nose) without calling the Germans, French, and Latin American embassies and ask "may I". But if I offended you sir, please accept my apology.

    Clint,
    A lot of what Carter brought on was his own fault by the dismantling of the U.S. intelligence apparatus. He never saw his problems coming. I served in the Navy during the Carter admin. and can attest to the low moral and cannibalization of material just to keep things going. Agreed, he was no dummy. You dont get through Annapolis and the Rickover program without an exceptional I.Q. and high motivation. He was a fairly decent governor where micro managing can more easily be accomplished. But he was not a leader! Certainly, give him the peace prize for his contributions to voting reform in countries where his life could have easily been in danger all the way to his work in Habitat for Humanity. However, I hope the prize isn't a reward and acknowedgement of his performance 76-80.
     
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    You each have some good points, I still believe that the way Cater handled the Hostage situation in Iran, allowed future hits on Americans. The words of Longshot hit it on target. He was not a good leader. I'm sure he is the nicest person you could meet in politics and Clint has a point, we Americans were looking for someone who we could trust, that is why I voted for him. But I soon learned nice is not what brings safty and security to a nation. Nice and trusting is not what keeps the economy from breaking down like it did during his tenure. It is leadership and certain direction that we needed and he failed at it.
     
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    Amen Post it, I agree with all you have said except for voting for him. I wanted to vote for him butI was only 17 when he was defeated, man I wish I still was. [​IMG]
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    Post-it, Carter was heir to a whole mess of economic problems. The oil shocks were certainly not his fault; it was a historical fact that America no longer was the swing producer of petroleum and was on the "wrong" side of the Israeli-Arab conflict.

    The economy was in a nosedive because of higher oil prices, LBJ's insistence on guns and butter during Vietnam, Nixon's bogus price controls, and Paul Volcker's attempt to wring inflation from the economy by draconian interest rates. Not to mention the obsolescent infrastructure of manufacturing brought on by the country's artificial dominance in the post-WWII era.

    Carter had his faults as president. He never really connected with the American people, and there was a smug moralism that prevailed, not to mention his tendency to micro-manage the administration.

    As to the hostages, what would you have proposed? It's one thing to take on a tiny island (like Grenada) and an entirely different thing to try to rescue hostages from a radical, ideologically-controlled, populous, land-laocked country. (Somalia comes to mind.)
     
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    I would suggest doing what Reagan did as he came into office... Threaten WAR. You will recall that the hostages were released just days before Reagan took office.

    Iran could not have had much of an army at that time since the coup had just taken place. All the other Arab nations would have allowed us to take back our citizens with such use.

    BTW, where was the UN at that time? And why didn't Carter use it to get that problem solved?

    Time and time again, we see that the threat of war with the FULL intent of doing it is the only way some radical extremists will do the right thing.

    I don't really blame Saddam for doing what he has done in regards to the UN resolutions, its all part of the game from these groups, they know they don't have to do anything until they smell war coming. But watch how fast he will fold now that Bush has his US resolution to go to war.

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    Post-it,

    I 100% agree with you about Carter. I am sure he is a nice guy and does some great things with Habitat. But he was a terrible president. The second worst of the century next to Clinton, IMO. I guess the part that bothers me the most is that I understand that part of the reason this was awarded to Carter was part of a protest against the current president and his impending war on Iraq and his continuing war on terrorism. Carter just seems a little smug and anti-American to me accepting this award on that basis. But hey, that would be the perfect type of person for the Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, hey, they did give it to Arafat in the past.

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