Joel Osteen

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  1. Salty

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    I am watching Joel Osteen at the moment.

    He has used one scripture "My grace is sufficient for me". The basic message is good in itself- but two main things.

    1) He has not given one Scripture reference -

    2) Most of his message is analogies.

    What are your thoughts about Joel Osteen
    Please give specific examples
     
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    Why?

    He's not so much a heretic, although he is that, as much as he's just a glorified motivational speaker who misuses Christianity as his premise.

    His father, on the other hand, was a raging heretic.

    I don't believe Osteen has any business being behind a pulpit.
     
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    Exactly - I want to know WHY I don't like him.
    You gave some examples - but for me, I must have a personal knowledge.
     
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    Osteen's a heretic. You'd be better off listening to men like Jeff Nobblit, Voddie Baucham, RW Glenn, Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan, Carl Truman, RC Sproul, James White, Phil Johnson, John MacArthur, etc. Although he's a lesser known preacher and was not as prolific as the men above, you might also want to check out a man names S. Lewis Johnson.
     
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    My thoughts on Joel Osteen?


    Uses way too much mousse and toothpaste....
     
  6. Salty

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    How do I know if those men are any good - UNLESS I listen to them and find out what they are teaching?

    So back to Osteen - so an immature Christian comes up to you and asks should I listen to Osteen? You say no because he is a heretic. He asked Why, what does he preach that is wrong?
    What would be your answer?
     
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    I would start by pointing out what I've already said, that he's not actually a preacher, but a glorified motivational speaker. I would then point out that his "sermons" are man centered, not God centered, that he always presents a distorted form of the Gospel as a means to making your life better, not of assuaging the wrath of God, forgiving sinners, or reconciling them to God.

    I would also point out that he preaches universalism and that he incorporates name it and claim it, positive thinking, and pop-psychology into his sermons.

    I would then ask the person what their goal is in listening to Osteen and what they hope to get out of it.
     
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    I would agree for the most part with John Deere Fan said. Joel Osteen is one of the greatest motivational speakers of out time but he doesn't preach the gospel. What he says is not necessarily wrong, it's just not the gospel.
     
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    Do we blame Osteen for what he does or the thousands or even millions that follow him?

    "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." 2 Tim 4:3-4

    He is just fulfilling scripture.
     
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    I don't listen to him but from what I have read he is a word of faith heretic. I believe he inherited his fathers congregation but has expanded it greatly.

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    Dr Albert Mohler on Joel Osteen!

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    You know Osteen does look a lot like the "Joker" on Batman. Is God trying to tell people something?

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    I have published the following before but I believe the word of faith move is so an abomination it is worth presenting again!

    THE HERESY OF THE WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT

    The following heretical teachings of this Word of Faith Movement are summarized in the Kingdom of the Cults, revised, page 497ff. Below are sixteen heretical statements [Italicized for clarity.] that define this heresy and demonstrate the importance of adhering to the truth as revealed in Scripture. Scripture which refute these heretical teaching are presented immediately following the heretical teaching.

    1. God is a being who stands approximately six feet tall, weighs some two hundred pounds, and looks exactly like a man.

    2. Faith is the literal substance that God used to create the universe, and He transported that faith with His words. Here, essentially, is what God did. God filled His words with faith. He used His words as containers to hold His faith and contain that spiritual force and transport it out there into the vast darkness by saying, ‘light, be’! That's the way God transported His faith causing creation and transformation. The way that He created the world was that, first of all, he conceived something on the inside of Him. He conceived, He had an image, He had a picture.

    3. All things, including God, are subject to this ‘force of faith’ beause it works according to spiritual ‘laws’ of the universe. There are laws of the world of the spirit.... The spiritual world and its laws are more powerful than the physical world .... The world and the physical forces governing it were created by the power of faith--a spiritual force. ..... It is this force of faith which makes the laws of the spirit world function. The force of faith is released by words. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operation.

    4. The greatest thing God conceived of and created was an exact duplicate of himself. This duplicate god--named Adam-was God manifested in the flesh.


    5. God eventually went to Adam, who was anatomically male and female, and separated the female part from the male part to make a womb-man (woman). Adam named this ‘man with a womb’ Eve. She, like Adam, was a god.

    6. The Fall caused Adam and Eve's divine natures to be replaced with Satan’s nature. They also lost their rights of rulership to planet earth. Even God was barred from having full access to earth because Adam and Eve were under His lordship when they ‘fell’. Through their disobedience Satan became the god of this world.

    7. God formulated a scheme to take back the earth, but in order to execute His plan He had to find a human who would invite Him (give Him permission) to work within the earthly realm. Finally, God got to a point where He had His plan ready for operation. And He saw a man named Abraham. In return for allowing God to bring the Messiah through his lineage, Abraham received unlimited health and wealth.

    8. For centuries God visualized Jesus. Then, when it was finally time for the Messiah to come forth, God spoke him into existence through faith in the same way that He had visualized and spoken into existence everything else. Bringing forth Jesus, however, was also dependent upon whether or not Mary would lend her faith to help form the body of the Lord out of the literal ‘Word’ (confession).

    9. While on earth Jesus was wealthy. He lived in a big house, had a great deal of money, and wore the finest clothes.

    10. Although Jesus declared that he walked with God and that God was in Him, he never actually claimed to be God. In fact, during his three years of public ministry Jesus did not stand in a class by himself.... He was ministering on earth as a human being -- a prophet anointed with the Holy Spirit. Jesus remained sinless so He could redeem men from their Satanic natures.


    11. In order to redeem humanity, Jesus had to die spiritually as well as physically. When He died spiritually, he died in the same way that Adam died. In other words, He lost His divine nature and was given the nature of Satan. Jesus’ death on the cross and His shed blood did not atone for our sins. The atonement took place in hell through the devil's torturing of Jesus’ spirit for three days and three nights. Unfortunately for Satan, Jesus was taken to hell ‘illegally’ because He had never sinned. This ‘technicality’ enabled God to use His ‘force of faith’ to revive Jesus’ spirit, restore Jesus’ divine nature, and resurrect Jesus’ body. Through the resurrection process Jesus was ‘born again’.


    12. When a person is born again they experience exactly what happened to Jesus. Their satanic nature is replaced by God’s divine nature. The transformation is so identical to Jesus’ transformation that Christians become little gods (small “g”) and are as much an incarnation of God as was Jesus.

    13. Because Christians are ‘little gods’, they now have access to the ‘God- kind of faith’, which can be used to get virtually anything they want. Christians, rather than God, have authority in the earth over Satan and sickness and disease. Consequently, believers should never pray God’s will be done.


    14. To obtain specific desires, Christians must do three things: (1) loose the power of the “force of faith” by speaking or positively confessing whatever is wanted (e.g., ‘I am healed’, ‘I am not sick’, etc.); (2) believe that whatever has been confessed will definitely be received; and (3) ignore or look beyond the visible reality (i.e, remaining sickness, low finances, etc.) and continue claiming what has been confessed.

    15. Everything bad, including poverty and sickness, comes from Satan. God’s people should have a completely blessed life. A Christian not experiencing such a life is either: (1) in sin; or (2) lacking enough faith to bring about what is desired.

    16. The power of audible confession is so great that sometimes a person can unknowingly bring tragedy upon themselves by making negative confessions. For example, a woman who is mugged may have actually caused that mugging if at any time prior to the experience she made comments like, ‘I live in such a dangerous part of the city that I'm afraid I’ll be mugged’. The woman should have been saying, ‘I will not be mugged’. Similarly, someone who jokingly says ‘I feel like I'm going crazy’ may actually become insane.

    The above 16 points show how the Word of Faith teachers have corrupted the truth contained in the Word of God into gross heresy. I cannot say that all those caught up in the Word of Faith movement are unsaved but thay are surely following heretical teachings.

    I believe the word of faith heresy pushed by people like the Osteens, the Copelands, Hinn, Tilton, Paulk, Capps and many others of the same ilk is the most dangerous heresy that has appeared in years, perhaps ever!

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    Osteen preaches Word of Faith and Prosperity gospel. His well-known book "Your Best Life Now," is an easy encapsulation of his beliefs. It's not hard to tell an "immature Christian" that if they are living their best life now then they must not be bound for Heaven, otherwise this is in no way our best life.

    Osteen's wife, Victoria, has made heretical and off-the-wall statements as well:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00-6OyXVA0M
     
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    We worship God for ourself and not Him because it makes us happy, and that in turn, makes Him happy?!?!? :eek::eek::eek::eek:


    And look at all those follwers being duped at that 'megachurch'...
     
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    I'm not a huge fan of Paul Washer by any means, but that does not mean I think he's always wrong. He hits the nail on the head here.
     
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    I think Osteen is wrong, but not any more wrong than Al Mohler.
     
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    I have presented information showing the heresy of Osteen. You have made a baseless charge about Dr. Mohler and are now obliged to present evidence of the error of Dr. Mohler. Otherwise you are showing either your stupidity or your immaturity, or both.


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    They are both heretics and living the life of the rich through the ignorance of their believers. What is sad is that Osteen appears on national TV talk shows with his "Joker" face to peddle his nonsense.

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    And what are you showing except a willingness to break forum policy by attacking and name calling. You have absolutely no integrity. But keep on flapping your gums and showing your true spirit.

    I maintain that Mohler's Calvinist fundamentalism is just as much error as Osteen's religion. The difference between you and me is that I am able to have as friends those with whom I disagree, without attacking them or questioning where they will spend eternity. Considering your age, you might want to think about that.
     
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