John 6:37 in its immediate context

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  1. The Biblicist

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    Jn. 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
    37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
    38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
    39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:36-40 is a distinct unit complete in itself. For example notice verse 36 introduces "ye...have seen me, and believe not" while verse 40 closes with the reverse "every one which seeth..and believeth." The distinction is not in regard to seeing but in regard to believing. So in verse 36 we have introduced a negative response in regard to believing in Christ while verse 40 has done a complete reversal by closing this passage with a positive response in believing in Christ. Verses 37-39 provide the transition from the negative to the positive, and is therefore explanatory to what brought about this transition from unbelief to belief in Christ. Hence, "cometh" in verses 37-39 means to come to Christ in faith.

    Secondly, in verse 37 "shall come' is future tense from the present tense "giveth" showing the cause and effect relationship between giving and coming. They don't come in order to be given by the Father to the Son, but they come because they have been given by the Father to the son. If this is doubted then, Christ removes all doubts in verse 39 by using the perfect tense "given" in regard to the will of the Father concerning the incarnation event. That is, Christ's coming from heaven to earth was to in order to fulfill the will of His Father which was to secure those already having been given to him. Hence, the act of giving preceded the incarnation and was part of the cause for Christ leaving heaven and coming to earth.

    Thirdly, none of those given the Father, for which Christ came to earth to secure their salvation will be lost. Therefore, this previous act of being given by the Father had salvational intent that was effectual.

    Fourthly, the "will" of the Father here is not his revealed will to us or for us, but expressive and explanatory for Christ coming to earth to secure "all" the Father had already "given" him so that not one is lost.

    Fifthly, the effectual nature of that will is summarized by the words "but should raise it up again at the last day." God will raise lost and saved up at the last day. However, this statement is made to reaffirm that "of all" those having been given by the Father to the Son that He would lose nothing. Hence, this conclusive statement is designed to characterize ALL who have been given and NO ONE ELSE!

    Sixthly, that same identifying statement closes verses 40, 44, and 54 proving that Christ is referring to the very same "all" or those having been given to him by the Father for which he came into the world to secure the will of the Father in regard to their effectual salvation.

    Seventhly, therefore, the "whosoever will" in verse 40, and the "he" that is drawn in verse 44 and the "whoso" of verse 54 are "OF ALL" those previously given to the Son by the Father before the Son ever came into the world.

    Finally, the transition from those who saw and believed not in verse 36 to those who see and believe in verse 40 is due to the fact that those in verse 40 are "of all" those the Father had given to His Son, while those in verse 36 are not "of all" those who had been given to his Son, because ALL that the Father gives to the Son "SHALL come" to him and these did not.
     
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    On the other hand, those who follow the man Dave Hunt, have a very different and decidedly less biblical approach to that text.
     
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    :applause::type::applause:...this is clear:thumbs:
     
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    All the ones that the Father gives to Jesus will come to him. No one is left behind. None will be lost -and none will be driven away. The only way that any will come to Jesus is because the Father draws them. And they will be raised on the last day.

    These people : the given, the ones coming, and the ones drawn are of one people. Nobody slips through the cracks. They are the very same ones described in Romans 8:28-30 :the called, foreknown, predestined, justified and glorified. It's the Golden Chain.
     
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    The effectually called believers can rejoice being kept by the power of God.
    Phil 1:6. What a comfort in times of trial.
     
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    Philippians 1:6 is so far from how you've twisted it, you really should be ashamed of yourself. Have you ever looked at verse 5?

    Really man. If you're no better at seeing context than that, you ought never pose as an informed believer.
     
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    Wonder if you've ever looked at what it means to be glorified? Glory?
     
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    Why make a charge if you don't back it up?

    Philip. 1:5 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;
    6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ
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    The term "fellowship" translates the Greek term koinonia and means that they had shared the gospel in common "from the first day" they embraced it "until now." They embraced it by faith. Hence, he is speaking of their commonly shared continuation in the faith of the gospel which introduces verse 6.

    In verse 6 he provides not only the basis for confidence that they will continue in that shared gospel faith, but the actual cause which is found in the work of God alone wherein that shared faith had "begun" and would continue "until the day of Jesus Christ."

    1. In verse 5 he is speaking from the believer's point of view:
    a. "from the first day"
    b. "until now"

    2. In verse 6 he is speaking of the Divine cause for continued confidence
    a. "He that hath begun"
    b. "until the day of Christ"

    So verse 6 is the Pauline explanation of CONTINUANCE IN GOSPEL FAITH as the effectual work of God in them.
     
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    Biblicist already addressed this, but I will add some comments.

    Philippians 1:5,6:
    because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

    Philippians 2:13 :
    for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfil his good purpose.

    Ephesians 2:10 :
    for we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

    So what do you not understand? Or, rather, do you now understand?
     
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    To be in his eternal presence in Heaven. That is the destination for all the elect ones of God.
     
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    I agree with what the Biblicist has said, but there is another side to it.
    ".....And the one who comes to Me is will by no means cast out." In our preaching we can assure our listeners that if they will only come to Christ, He will receive them. The gate of heaven is wide open. 'And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.'

    No one will ever come to Christ and be told, "I'm sorry, you can't come in. There isn't enough of Christ's blood to go round!" No, no! ".....This is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life....."

    But, of course, people do not come. Not for lack of invitation, not for want of encouragement, but because they have sinful, unbelieving hearts, and unless God gives them a new heart and a new spirit, they will not come (John 5:40). But those who do come-never mind how wicked; never mind how helpless- the Lord Jesus will by no means cast out. Indeed, they have been drawn by His wonderful grace and mercy.

    'Come, ye sinners, poor and wretched,
    Weak and wounded, sick and sore;
    Jesus ready stands to save you,
    Full of pity joined with power;
    He is able,
    He is willing, doubt no more!'
     
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    Biblicist and Rippon have already toasted your fine post:applause:
    Guess we can refer to it as a postToastee
    :wavey:
     

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