Featured John 8:3-11 : The Case Against Christians Supporting Capital Punishment

In the most. Neither you nor any other sinful man is qualified to righteously judge that somebody ELSE's life be taken because of committing a sin. It is a judgment to be rendered by God and God alone.

That's a bunch of hoo hoo. Man's due process is not valid in righteously following due process to determine life or death. We're all sinners. It's impossible for us to do so if you believe Scripture. It would render us all hypocrites to kill someone for breaking the same law that we ALL are guilty of breaking.

From a non-Christian perspective that sort of due process may be allowed. But from a BIBLICAL Christian perspective, no one outside of GOD HIMSELF is capable of making such a righteous decision and that's why the OT is full of HIM giving the command for His people to kill. HE had righteously passed judgment, not them.

If Christians believe Scripture, we're all guilty of breaking the same law. And if some are due death for breaking the law, then we must accept that we are also. That is CONSISTENT with why no sin can be in God's presence and why even one sin makes us worthy of death and hell.

This is why the lost world doesn't listen to the church. We want to point the finger at everyone else's faults with no consideration that ours are the same.

Just another reason why judgment will begin with the church. We are unrepentant because we refuse to acknowledge our sin as sin. I don't know too many folks who could RIGHTEOUSLY consider it loving their neighbors as themselves to approve of death for that neighbor for breaking the same law that they are guilty of breaking, while not approving of the same death for themselves.

The governing authorities' way is not God's way. Scripture says 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phi. 2:3-5

How is it esteeming others better than ourselves when we prescribe death to them but life for ourselves when we've both broken the same law? That's selfishness. That's vainglory that's concerned about self and not others.

That IS NOT the way of Christ and is as far away from what He exampled as was the stuff the Pharisees did.

Again, a bunch of hoo hoo coming from CHRISTIANS. That may be the thought process of the unsaved, but it is inconsistent for folks who are supposed to know Christ to advocate such a thing.

Do you or any other Christian on here also advocate the taking of the life of every living mother who has ever aborted a child?

Why? Thou shalll not murder is part of the same law as thou shall not lie. You, me and every other Christian is guiltyof breaking the SAME law as Scripture says.

I endorse life for me as I'm sure you do for yourself. So why aren't you and other Christians loving your neighbor as you love yourself and advocating the same thing for them that Jesus has given you?

Why would folks who have been forgiven advocate the death of anyone who has broken the same law that they have been forgiven of breaking?

 

There you go again acting as though someone asked you what you thought as opposed to what Scripture says.

You think we have every right to. Scripture shows we do not. So continue to sinfully want for others' sin what you don't want for your own.

Yes , place a price tag on what is too much for someone else's life. How much is yours worth?

Yes, that's right up there with loving your enemy as yourself. That's right up there with forgiving seventy times seven. That's right up there with turning the other cheek..

Shall God deal as sternly with those in the church and their unrighteous, unmerciful judgment as they think they have the okay to deal with others who have broken the same law.

He did point it out. You remember that Cross where He gave you mercy when you should have gotten death? Everything about the Gospel of Jesus Christ DEMANDS that the Christian default to life and mercy. But as you judge with no mercy, so shall your breaking of the same law be treqated.

There is something extremely wicked and anti-Christ about any Christian who has been shown the mercy of the Cross thinking that someone else should receive death for breaking the same law we have broken. Where in that is the loving of neighbor as self?

We like to talk about the homosexual flaunting their sin, but we boldly flaunt ours while constantly looking to defend it.

Naah. This is right up there with so many in the church unrepentantly supporting for President a man who rejects Jesus Christ. Our view is the same as the world's when it comes to politics. And it's obviously just like the world's when it comes to capital punishment. The modern church has become a mean , nasty place in which its inhabitants have the same lack of love that is exhibited by the world. And as the love of many grows cold, wickedness increases.


But then we sit and unrighteously judge the lost when apparently everything about those in the church has become the same as it is with the lost.

Where is the church that is so unlike this lost world that they look at as like we're crazy because like Christ, our default is love, grace and mercy?

How do the people who have been forgiven not understand why the default of the Christian HAS to be life and mercy? It's like spitting on the Cross.

I'm not talking about the legal system. As I've said. the governing authorities can do what they want just as they do with divorce. But the default of the Christian MUST be the grace, mercy and forgiveness of Christ that gives life over death.

 

And it's a shame that just like the people of Israel that so many of you think that just because the majority of you feel the same way that you're morally correct when everything of Scripture shows your actions to be in direct opposition to who Christ says HIS people are supposed to be.

The consensus? Typical of unrighteous judgment to think that a show of hands and consensus makes something right. Perhaps that explains why you poll everything.

And like I said before, don't try to turn the table on me with this perfect, pious stuff in order to change the topic of conversation once again from the church's disobedience.

That's your fallback for everything you want to justify us doing in the church."Oh you must be the most perfect yada yada yada". That's you essentially saying "yeah we're doing it and it's probably wrong but you do stuff that's wrong too".

So it's noted that's your script for justifying wrong behavior within the church when you're involved with it.

Save your facetious sideways slaps and stick towhat's being talked about.

Now you sound the exact way the Pharisees did when Jesus pointed out the hypocrisy of their religiosity.

Who said anything about that? I'm just saying that IT'S obvious that the church is broken and it ain't broken because of what folks outside the church are doing. It's broken because the folks inside the church keep unrepentantly sinning en masse and justifying it. So NO, you'll get no crowns for that wickedness.

God's very serious about your walk. [snipped]

 

The taking of a life is the taking of a life. None outside of God are righteously qualified to do so.

As I said, the governing authorities have given their approval for capital punishment and they can. They are of this world system and I expect them to act like it. But from a SCRIPTURAL POV and everything Christ came for, it seems to make no sense for His people who have received His forgiveness, His mercy...to advocate death for anyone due to their sin.

But instead, we scream at the top of our lungs about the heinousness of abortion while being okay with capital punishment just because the government CAN.

 

So in other words, if you think it's right to take a life for taking a life, according to what you're quoting, your life is to be demanded because of that shed blood.

6 “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed; Gen. 9:6

Or am I now to pay that no mind? If the death penalty coming from unrighteous men and not from GOD telling them to ,i.e.,wipe out a people by His command is shedding human blood, according to the Scripture you mentioned, other men should take their life.

Then advocate it for every mother currently alive who has gotten an abortion.

Definitely a man centric view that has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ. Closure comes from Christ. He says to forgive. He doesn't say take the life of the person who wronged you.

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Again that's a worldly view and not a Christ-centered view. You can't force someone in Christ to live in that which Christ says He has not given them a spirit of. You're talking about the way a lost world responds. That is not the way that people who know CHrist should respond.

That's right. Throughout the OT, the only time a life was righteously taken, GOD made the decision and had it carried out either by His people or an agent of His doing what HE commanded. And just as you said, HE can do that. He hasn't given us His authority to do so.

And to say otherwise, Christians need not ever mention the Cross and the forgiveness of Christ to anyone ever again because we set ourselves up as the ultimate hypocrites.

And if yall feel so adamantly about capital punishment, call your senators and congressmen and push them and whomever your 2016 Presidential nominee of choice is to push for the capital punishment of any woman currently alive who has chosen to abort a baby.

 

Again cultural law specific to the Jews with the command coming from God.

Again OT for the Jews from God that all changed when Jesus came and went to the Cross. They aren't still doing this.

Nope. I'm calling a spade a spade and pointing out the hypocrisy of Christians for being okay with the death penalty for someone else who has broken the same law they have. God gave us mercy on the Cross. But we want to advocate death for someone else who broke the same law.

The only thing being conflated is you trying to dance around the issue of this hypocrisy yall are demonstrating.

It's SCRIPTURE. It's for the world to hear and the principles be applied.

I'm not making it say anything other than what it says. I quoted it so exactly how am I trying to make it say something else? Do you personally think it's esteeming others to be better than yourself to advocate the death penalty to them and not yourself for them breaking the same law that Scripture says you're guilty of breaking?

That would really mean something if you and so many in the church weren't putting forth a worldly view that is so radically different from what Christ exampled.

I can read the words on the pages. I know wat Paul says.:laugh: As for Deuteronomy, you need to recognize as I said before that was directly from GOD to the Jews to keep them separated from the pagans. Everything changed once Jesus came onto the scene. Every bit of the Gospel examples it as well as the rest of the NT.

I'm afraid that you and a lot of folks in the church continue in this heinous sin that you continue to try and justify, yet have the audacity to say anything about abortion.

This type of silly confusion where the church feigns to be pro-life in one instance while being pro-death in another is not of God.

 

Seriously?

Wrong again. That's GOD telling them, the JEWS, what to do to remain separate; He hasn't done that after the Jews. And as was said, the NT speaks to Him expecting us to do just the opposite.

It was a direct command from God to the JEWS that was fulfilled with Jesus. Stop ignoring the Cross.

Yet you talk about dodging. This has already been answered. That same governing authority okays abortion too. Yet you and a lot of folks in the church have a cow about that.

I'm grating against your politically based hypocrisy.

The tragic thing is that the folks who are supposed to be holy and set apart and who supposedly have experienced God's saving grace actand respond just like those who haven't been forgiven.

You call it what you will. And I'll call yours more hypocrisy. As I said before, put your money where your mouth is and start demanding that every mother currently alive who has gotten an abortion be put to death.

That's you twisting. It says OTHERS or the next man so why are you trying to limit it to those like you? That's easy to do. Treat those who aren't like you as better than you. Now THERE is a test of your faith.

You just demonstrated who is trying to make Scripture say something else.

GOOD. I don't need acumen in hermeneutics. My God man . You sound just like those religius Pharisees who knew so much about the law but nothing of the love of Christ. But you're consistent with what's wrong in the church and why the world around us is falling apart with wickedness. Because of the increase in wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. It's present and exampled by you and so much of the church.

REMEMBER THE CROSS. Some talk a good game, but their game isn't wrapped in the shed blood on the Cross.

Remember the Cross. And as I said, if you're for it, do it without hypocrisy and start demanding the death penalty for every mother currently alive who has gotten an abrtion.

Absolutely shameful that those forgiven don't default to life in these areas. Highlights the hypocrisy and that our stance on abortion is often just politics and nothing to do with the love of Christ.

 

It's His word. It's always been part of the law given or not. But as I said in the other thread, if someone believes this , then start advocating the killing of mothers and doctors who carry out abortions.:thumbsup:

Up on the Cross when HE chose to show you and everybody else who wanted it, mercy when we fully deserved death.

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Remember the Cross!!!