John Calvin on John 3:16-17

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  1. Jarthur001

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    This is what has been posted by some non_calvinist

    Please note the words from Calvin....


    Now please look at the words as found in Calvins book on John...(english)


    Now I must ask. Is there anything in the quote from John that would lead others to think John Calvin was not a Calvinist?

    And..

    After you read the full statement by John Calvin, would you say John Calvin was a Calvinist, or a free-willer?
     
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    Who said John Calvin was not a Calvinist?

    What was brought out here was that he is stating God loves the Human Race and that God invites all to partake.

    Universal Atonment.
     
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    Here is what I would have highlighted as well:

    That is all I'm saying. He shows Christ died for ALL mankind but Specifically Redeemed the many.
     
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    well you sort of..

    And if we were to read only the very small part you keep posing you maybe right. But the fact is, there is more to the story, which you seem to forget. why?
     
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    I have no problem with anything you highlighted...nor would any other calvinist. But it is clear by now, that in the past you have not told the full story as it really was. Be it from a bad web site, or because you just did not know.

    But...what I would like to ask you once and for all.
    Did John Calvin believe in God choosing a people for salvation?
    And...did John Calvin believe in limited atonement?
     
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    Please show where I did not tell the whole story James.
    The quote IS an exact quote from Calvin himself in two different portions and it is specifically stated exactly where it can be found - His commentaries on John 3:16.

    If you are trying to bring up the two posts you actaully looked at, and one WAS an actual quote, that to is not - not telling the whole story, for the story is that they believe Jesus died for ALL Men.

    Yes, through his writting it is apparent that John Calvin believed in God choosing a people for salvaiton.

    On the other only John Calvin can answer that one since it is clearly evident in his commentaries he held an unlimited view concerning Christs death. Scholar even argue concerning this. But what you CAN"T deny is that he speaks to unlimited atonement in many places of his commentaries but most specifically here in John 3:16 since it is what is being looked at. I believe through my study on some of John's work he held both and didn't discount either. I think he leaned a little more to the unlimited account but that is a personal opinion. The only fact I have is that he deals with it and speaks to it for himself. Will I deny this, no because he did not deny it.
     
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    So are we to dismiss that which does not correspond to a particular view. No, we just mark it as something he noted and agreed with even if it was against his person view.
     
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    I would like to add an "aside" comment. Reading Calvin's commentary here reminded me of what a great theologian and warm heart for God he truly had.
     
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    Though some might, I would not deny either. :thumbs:
    I might not agree with him on some things but I do not deny he did a good work to, in striving for what he understood as right and proper.
     
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    And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers.


    I don't understand how Calvin's doctrine of Limited Atonement is consistent with this statement. I see that he upholds his doctrine of the elect in this commentary but I don't see limited atonement in here.
     
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    A current thread enters into this. I thought I'd weigh in with this.
     

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