John Hagee?

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  1. FundamentalOnly!

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    What type of church/denomination would you consider John Hagee to be?

    Is he a fundamentalist? I have never heard anyone talk about what they think his theology is. thanks
     
  2. Tom Butler

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    I'm not exactly sure what John Hagee's theology is.

    Best guess: Charismatic, but not Pentecostal. Dispensational pre-mil. Possibly Postive Confession type (Word Faith). Arminian.
     
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    I would say he is a heretic.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  4. Jack Matthews

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    He's clearly not a heretic, unless you want to concede that God is endorsing his heresy by allowing him to be such an effective evangelist. Cornerstone Church wins more people over 16 years of age to Christ than any dozen Baptist churches combined. If he were a heretic, that wouldn't be happening.
     
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    While I label John Hagee as a heretic, there are some things that I don't agree with him on, especially when it comes to Israel. In the same breath though I don't think you can say someone is a non-heretic just because people are accepting salvation either.

    There are people on that day that cry Lord, Lord and had some good works (Godly works), but were called workers of iniquity.

    He is someone that you should listen to with discernment, but I would say that of myself and any other person that speaks concerning Scripture.

    It's the folks that tell you to listen to them and believe what they say and leave it at that, that you have to worry about :) Test his teachings with Scripture and see where it comes out.

    Hope that helps.

    By the way I don't know what you would categorize him as either.
     
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    Non-denominational evangelical with a sprinkling of dual-covenantism.
     
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    I don't think God endorses heresy. Further, professions of faith are not a sign of being an effective evangelist. If this were true, then a lack of Professions of Faith would be a sign of an ineffective evangelist. Yet, we see many men of God throughout the Bible who were faithful to his Word and spent their entire lives preaching the truth and yet were rejected, stoned, persecuted, thrown in prison. Popularity does not make an effective evangelist. Faithfully preaching the Word of God does. Haggee does not do this. It is God who effects the change in lost people, not man. Sometimes, God does this even despite the heresy.

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    Why is he a heretic? Is he a believer in word of faith?
     
  9. Jack Matthews

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    He does not preach what you think is the Word of God.

    An effective evangelist is one who has a track record of winning people to Christ. Paul was rejected, stoned, persecuted and thrown in prison. He was not necessarily popular as a whole, but he won thousands of people to Christ. If you cannot point to very many converts to Christ as a result of your evangelistic ministry, sorry, you are not an effective evangelist.

    Hagee is not popular with the world at large. He preaches the hard truth of the gospel, from the scripture. Like most preachers, he is also somewhat opinionated. That doesn't make him a heretic. A heretic could not be an influential evangelist, and Hagee is clearly that, despite your disagreements with him, which are only based on your personal biases in the way you interpret scripture. I watch his preaching frequently, and I've never heard him say anything that wasn't consistent with the Word of God. Effective evangelists are not heretics, and Hagee is an effective evangelist.
     
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    That is a dangerous way to judge if a church has correct theology or not. Especially considering the number of converts to the LDS and Catholic churches.
     
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    The Muslims are gaining enough converts (wins people) to make Hagee look tiny. They are effective. They convert far more prisoners to allah than any Christian organization to Christ. Are they not heretical?
     
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    I don't know Hagee at all, and didn't intend to slight him.
     
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    Good post. Unfortunately some feel that a heretic is someone who's soteriology and eschatology doesn't agree with. Using this standard, you could call anyone on here a heretic...including the ones who use this word the most.
     
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    1. Paul did not win anyone to Christ. God drew them all to him and saved the elect. He merely used Paul as his vessel for mercy.

    2. Winning converts does not an effective evangelist make. Jim Jones had many converts. Those who preach the Word of God without compromise regardless of the response are the ones who are successful and effective evangelists. The rest are simply heretics...and Haggee is one of them.

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    This may not be exact, but hagee has never been exact.

    He is a gluttonous fundamentalist defrocked (& excommunicated ?) AG preacher.

    Something like that.

    A couple of other good choice words could be added . . .

    Wayne

     
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    Oh yes, that old litmus test . . . does he sound good.

    OK.

    Has he ever done what he preaches . . . ?

    See ya'!


     
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    PS

    Haggee is NOT an EFFECTIVE evangelist.

    He IS a great showman.
     
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    *show....*

    In Truth:
    A great Hivite nation, eh? Your right, Wayne.

    Well Joshua made them hewers of water and
    tree cutters in the Camp of Israel and so they
    are with us today. And they are drawing out a
    watered down Gospel that is hype and show to
    others and are in full rebellion as their name: Hivite.
    But to God's People in Christ they are clearly known
    in the Camp. And many are being lied to because they
    are not 'asking counsel' from The Lord of Glory.

    In Repentance:
    But I just want that full nation out of my own heart as
    God leads by His Spirit little by little (Deut 7:1-7 and Rom 8:13-14)
    or I too will perish as others are.

    In Hope:
    In patience we will possess our own souls if we hold back
    from pointing the finger at others, so that God might Evangelize
    us all over again.

    Peace,
    Connie
     
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    Empty allegations, Wayne, without sources. This constitutes slander and gossip.
     
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    I doubt that sources are required to determine that Hagee is gluttonous. However, I certainly don't believe him to be a fundamentalist and I don't think he has proclaimed to be either. I see him as being an evangelical Christian Zionist who comes from a charismatic background and walks together with Benny Hinn. The Houston Chronicle has quoted Hagee as promoting a Jewish salvation and a Christian salvation (dual-covenant) but Hagee later denied saying these things so who knows. As to being excommunicated from an AG, I hadn't heard that.
     

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