John Kerry.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Martin, Nov 1, 2006.

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Do You Believe John Kerry's Presidential Hopes Ended Monday Night?

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe

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  1. Martin

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    Because I am a fair person I am giving John Kerry the benefit of the doubt. I do not believe he meant to say anything negative about American troops. However I do believe any hopes to be the next President of the United States that Kerry may have had ended Monday night. Do you agree? see poll.
     
  2. Daisy

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    My choice is not reflected - I don't think he had a chance before Monday.

    I was listening to the Bloomberg News Radio on my way home tonight - they had a segment on "future markets" in election results. Apparently, you can buy and sell "shares" of gambling on the elections on certain markets. That seems very strange to me.

    I don't remember if they mentioned Kerry's chances; maybe that would be something to sell short (or would've been as the price must surely have tumbled).
     
  3. JamieinNH

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    I voted maybe. In my opinion, I think he lost his chance in 2004. I could be wrong, but I don't think he would win the nomination again.

    If I am wrong, and he didn't lose it in 2004, I think he did on Monday.

    At least that is how I would see it. Of course, I would like to see a good, strong, decent, honest person step up to be the next president. I am tried of both parties only giving us weak choices.
     
  4. Petra-O IX

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    I don't think Kerry stood a chance at the Presidency since 20004. I think he pretty much bought the nomination then. The American public will want someone who is not a hotdogger like Kerry.
     
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    I don't think his remarks of yesterday will even be on the radar screen of most voters by Friday of this week. I think a lot of Republicans were hoping it would make some kind of a difference next Tuesday, but as the election nears, support for Democrats grows. A gaffe like that has little to no impact on the vote. If it did, Bush wouldn't have ever been elected.

    Kerry's chances at the White House ended in 2004. He came within a handful of votes of being elected, but the Democrats more or less learned their lesson about re-nominating the loser of a previous election with Adlai Stevenson. I don't think he could win the party nomination at this point. They'll go with someone else. It is too early to say who, but the chances of the Democrats will go up or down substantially based on what Tuesday's newly elected Congress does.
     
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    I disagree. I think that the GOP base is now finally mobilizing. It may be too little too late but the I am no longer certain that the Democrats will win back control of at least one house of Congress.
     
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    I don't believe Tuesday's newly elected Congress will accomplish anything of note regardless of which party is in the minority.

    The Republicans have forgotten how to be Republicans and the democrats will spend the next 2 years trying to pay Bush back for 2000 and 2004 with endless investigations instead of legislating.
     
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    There are not and will not be enough Congressmen of either party in either house to make much of a difference.

    One of the few effects of a Democratic-led Senate would be stopping the nomination of conservative judges.

    Investigations against Bush may be initiated, but there is not enough Democrat support to carry them to their extent.

    Polls are fickle. It looks like Republicans are gaining ground in their usual strongholds and the Democrats are gaining ground in theirs.
     
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    Some veterans make poor veteran's spokesmen.
     
  10. The Galatian

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    Technically, since Bush went AWOL and never served in combat, he isn't really a veteran.
     
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    Careful! Remember what happened to Rather when he tried to say that!
     
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    All those who serve in the military are veterans. Period.

    Combat service is not required.
     
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    Barbarian observes:
    Technically, since Bush went AWOL and never served in combat, he isn't really a veteran.

    They have since found the secretary to Col. Killian, who actually typed the memos. She confirmed the statements on the memos rather had were correct. What had apparently happened, was someone knew of the memos and copied the information down and gave it to the network.

    The allegations she confirmee:


    An order directing Bush to submit to a physical examination. This order was not carried out.

    A note that Killian had grounded Bush from flying due to "failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards," and for failure to submit to the physical examination as ordered. Killian also requested that a flight inquiry board be convened, as required by regulations, to examine the reasons for Bush's loss of flight status. Independent documents confirm Bush was grounded for failure to complete a physical.

    A note of a telephone conversation with Bush in which Bush sought to be excused from "drill." The note records that Bush said he did not have the time to attend to his National Guard duties because of his responsibilities with the Blount campaign.

    A note (labeled "CYA" for "cover your **") claiming that Killian was being pressured from above to give Bush better marks in his yearly evaluation than he had earned. The note attributed to Killian says that he was being asked to "sugarcoat" Bush's performance. "I'm having trouble running interference [for Bush] and doing my job."
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    But Marian Carr Knox, a former Texas Air National Guard secretary, said she did type similar documents for her boss, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.
    "I know that I didn't type them. However, the information in those is correct," Knox told CBS anchor Dan Rather.

    Knox, 86, had previously told the same story to the Dallas Morning News in a report that was published Wednesday morning.

    The newspaper said Knox "spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events."

    She told the Morning News, "I remember very vividly when Bush was there and all the yak-yak that was going on about it."
    http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/15/guard.memos.congress/

    It's very hard to cover something like this up. Someone always remembers.
     
  14. Not_hard_to_find

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    Wow, I didn't realize my tongue-in-cheek would be interpreted as a stab-in-the-back to generate such a defense!

    Yes -- Bush is a veteran. Just as my husband, recalled to active duty but not seeing combat, is a veteran.
     
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    NIce ... still rehashing Bush in the Guard. Nice to know that there is nothing of substance to talk about.

    Kerry's chance at the presidency went out the window 30+ plus years ago when he attacked troops. His decisions then have consequences now.
     
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    Did I miss something or did Bush's record change sometime since the last time we discussed this?

    His record says honorably discharged... and it didn't need to be changed years after he got out like Kerry's.
     
  17. JamieinNH

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    Not that I agree with the OP, but it is funny that you say "rehashing" when it seems we can't get away from the Clinton "errors" and he hasn't been in office for many years now...
     
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    Daisy is right. Kerry did nothing to kill his chances at the presidency. He did that in '04. CW seems to be that fundraising is just too difficult for nominees to get the party nod, lose, then run again. It may be much more complex than that.
     
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    That is correct. Kerry is unfit for the Presidency, through his own fault. His comments have very little or nothing to do with the issues in this race, just as some of the nonsense of late on the other side does. One would hope the American people focus on the issues driving this election to make the best choice, and not things the news media presents as issues. (ie Foley, Allen, Kerry, etc)
     
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    Just a reminder of what actually happened. If you didn't want to talk about it, it was probably a bad decision to bring it up.

    The difference, I imagine, is that your husband served honorably, and his commander did not have to remove him as unfit for duty.

    Did I miss something or did Bush's record change sometime since the last time we discussed this?

    Nope. The lady who typed the memos for Bush's commander still remember that the information on those papers was correct. Bush did not report as ordered, his commander had to bust him from flying duty, and set up a CYA file saying he was getting political pressure protecting Bush.

    Those are still the facts.

    (Larry jumps in)
    Yep. Big mistake. If one supports Bush, I would think one would steer clear of the whole subject.

    This thread reminds why why I didn't vote for Kerry or Bush. Bush for cutting and running when his country needed him, and Kerry for being a nitwit.
     
    #20 The Galatian, Nov 2, 2006
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