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He stopped there on His way to South America as recorded in the Book of Mormon.

 

could it be because it was "rediscovered" truth by the church. as the church went under pretierism/A Mil due mainly to the time Augustine make the Kingdom on earth as the catholic church, spiritualizing prophesy?

Also, there was "insight" granted by the Lord, as per prophet daniel, books of prophecy to be closed off until end of days, and isreal returning to land might be the key to having those truths'rediscovered!"

 

There is something to be said about the concept of a development of theological systems. Over the centuries we see an emphasis on different theological topics such as the nature of the triune God, salvation by grace through faith and/or the Diety of Christ, just to name a few.

A nice little volume just released edited by John MacArthur et el: Christ's Prophetic Plans: A Futuristic Premillennial Primer 2012 Moody Press edited by Richard Mayhue, John F MacArthur, contributors Nathan Busenitz, Matthew Waymeyer and Michael Vlach.

 

Think people forget that almost ALL systems of theology came over extended period of time, none really overnight, and still think the prophetic views of Amil came in mainly due toa changefrom seeingscripture in a literal fashion to a spiritual ciew under Augustine and company!

 

I think I got that.

It is interesting how the deep thinkers like Kenneth Gentry and Gary (the pipsqueek) DeMar insist that their version of eschatology is the true literal interpretation of the Scriptures and that the dispies use allegory!

 

that ties right into their belief that the rapture is esacpist theology, that means the church lost/was defeated, as they hold the church to be taking over society/culture for Christ, really Post Mil views!

 

It is true that one of the purposes, perhaps the main purpose of the church assembly is to bring glory to God. The main task of the members of said assembly is to spread the Gospel and to make disciples. There is nothing in the Bible that would argue against the removal of the church at the end of this age. There is much evidence that the church is removed, raptured and ruling and reigning with Christ at the restoration of all things. It really comes down to taking God at his word.

Those who do not see it this way have no problem with using charts and diagrams to put every theological doctrine and concept into precise Biblical perspective except eschatology. There they allow gaps and wiggle room and/or simply ignore key passages to make their case.

 

Interesting that some would see us being raptured out a sign of weakness and puny saints, as jesus said that he Himself would come back for us and take us to be home with Him!

Doesn't he realise that his views would be 'wrong?"

 

Amen my brother!

 

Either doesn't realize or doesn't think such a "trivial" matter is important or doesn't care. The church assembly clearly has a different ministry compared to the nation of Israel which was not tasked with spreading the Gospel and making disciples for Christ.

 

Jesus Christ is coming back for us, just not until the time of the general resurrection!

 

Actually, its at time of the Rapture of the Church!

 

The Partial Rapture View

/ Here's another intriguing article I ran into on the web./

The Partial Rapture View

"church" RAPTURE "church"
(present age) (tribulation)

Hal Lindsey's "The Rapture" (1983, p. 26) says partial rapturists see only "spiritual" church members in the rapture and only "carnal" members of the church in the tribulation. John Walvoord's "The Rapture Question" (1979, p. 97) refers to partial rapturists as "pretribulationists." Leading partial rapturists including Pember and Govett see all of the "church" on earth before a pretrib rapture and only part of the "church" left behind to be tried by the Antichrist - truly the "church-splitting" view as shown in the above chart!
In the spring of 1830 Scottish lassie Margaret Macdonald was first to teach a pretrib rapture. It was actually an early version of partial rapturism because she said that after the rapture of "church" members "filled with the Spirit," the "church" members "who had not the Spirit" would be left behind to be tried by "THE WICKED" one (Antichrist). In Sep.1830 Edward Irving's journal "The Morning Watch" (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly echo her novel view when it stated that "Philadelphia" (the "spiritual" part of the universal church) is raptured before "the great tribulation" while "Laodicea" (the "carnal" part of that universal group) is left on earth.
John Darby, the so-called "father of dispensationalism," was still defending the historical posttrib rapture ("Christian Herald," Dec. 1830) which he described as Christ's coming for "His judging of the nations."
Pretrib didn't spring from a "church/Israel" dichotomy, as many have assumed, but from a "church/church" one, as we've seen, and was based only on symbols!
But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW (Sep. 1830) saw less worthy "church" members left behind.) Two years later (Sep. 1832) TMW said that "Jews" and less worthy Christians would miss the rapture. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only "Jews" would face the Antichrist!
As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church "going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews." And he didn't clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 "man child...caught up" symbol he'd "borrowed" (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!
For related articles Google "X-Raying Margaret," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" and "Scholars Weigh My Research." The most detailed and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is "The Rapture Plot" (see Armageddon Books online) - a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.

 

:laugh: Oh yeah, I am sure they would quake in their boots when faced with Thomas 15 questions and answers...:laugh::applause::laugh:

They would dispense with you in less than 5 minutes....lol

 

perhaps, but it would NOT be because of proper understanding of eschatology!