John McCain's birth certificate?

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  1. webdog

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    With all of the talk of Obama's birth certificate going on, I have heard that McCain has had to supply the very same thing. My brother in law has stated he never did, which to me is contrary to what I have been told. Anyone know if he has supplied it, and do you have a link?
     
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    I hadn't heard this before but this are challenges to McCain's citizenship similar to the one going on with Obama.
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    McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate

    His Eligibility for Presidency Is Questioned


    Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, was born on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone, which was then under U.S. jurisdiction.
    By Michael Dobbs
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, May 2, 2008; Page A06
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html

    Article II of the Constitution states that "no person except a natural born citizen . . . shall be eligible to the office of president." The problem is that the Founding Fathers never defined exactly what they meant by "natural born citizen," and the matter has never been fully tested in court. At least three pending cases are challenging McCain's right to be sworn in as president.

    "The Constitution is ambiguous," Duggin said. "The McCain side has some really good arguments, but ultimately there has never been any real resolution of this issue. Congress cannot legislatively change the meaning of the Constitution."

    One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate.

    The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees citizenship services, declined to hand over copies of the document, saying the subpoena was improperly served.

    Curiously enough, there is no record of McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone Health Department's bound birth registers, which are publicly available at the National Archives in College Park. A search of the "Child Born Abroad" records of the U.S. consular service for August 1936 included many U.S. citizens born in the Canal Zone but did not turn up any mention of John McCain.

    The key constitutional issue is whether the Canal Zone was part of the United States at the time of McCain's birth. In a memorandum, Tribe and Olson cite a 1986 Supreme Court ruling stating that the United States "exercised sovereignty" over the 10-mile-wide area between 1904 and 1979, when it was handed back to the Panamanians. Hollander and others challenging McCain's eligibility argue that the zone was never part of the United States.

    Duggin, the constitutional law scholar, said the sovereignty question is "more complex" than Olson and Tribe concede. People born in some U.S. territories, such as American Samoa, are not recognized as citizens of the United States.

    According to a State Department manual, U.S. military installations abroad cannot be considered "part of the United States" and "A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." Tribe said the manual is an "opinion" with no legal status.
     
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    Well, it must be a legitimate problem cause some guy filed a lawsuit.

    So now we are in a real fix, both guys have had lawsuits filed against their eligibility to be president. Since filing a lawsuit is all it takes to be fact, I guess Palin and Biden will have to step up.
     
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    Not gaff machine Joe... Say it ain't so Joe...
     
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    :applause:
    We know they are better debaters....maybe they would be better presidents as well.

    Palin/Biden or Biden/Palin?

    Let's flip a coin to see who takes the presidency and the other gets the vice-presidency.

    It would have to be less painful than the mess we are currently in.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    How about Co-presidents? They can split the oval office in half and Palin can dive Biden crazy, "there you go again Joe, always looking backwards..." :laugh:
     
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    I would seriously consider leaving the country if Sarah Palin became President. She's literally a bad joke.
     
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    Sure!!:rolleyes: Just like all those Hollywierd types that promised to vacate the USA if Bush became president. Typical liberals, all promise & no follow through!:thumbs:

    OK, at least you did say "CONSIDER"; I'll concede that!:sleeping_2:
     
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    Feel free to PM me I am quite sure I could raise the funds.
     
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    So you think she'd be a great President?
     
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    And so would Sean Hannity
     
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    Now i'd donate for him to take a hike... That's worth a vote for Obama just to see him go.
     
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    Unlike libs he doesn't feel the need to run.
     
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    Never loose hope...

    That guy was on fire yesterday on the Geraldo show. I was thinking he should think of his heart. I haven't seen fury like that toward another person since watching the civil rights news clips from the 60's. I honestly don't think Obama can count on his vote.
     
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    No one believes she would be a "great" president ... but then again, when was the last time we had a "great" president?

    And considering the alternatives (Obama, who would further the cause of abortion; and Biden, who's, well, Biden), yes, she's a much better choice.
     
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    Until Gov. Palin came along I thought Dan Quayle was the worst VP ever. What a joke. Now, Palin has him hands down. I can't believe the Republicans choose her as the VP candidate. It was a free ride for Obama/Biden.
     

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