John Piper and Dr King

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    "Grow up and recognize truth" ?

    Why do you feel the need to say this ?
     
  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Because I grew up in Alabama and am just now learning to recognise Dr King for the great man he was. Maybe I am the only member here who is still learning to appreciate him. If so I apologise for the 'we' and replace it with 'I.'
     
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    I started a rather long response but it involved personal experience unlikely to be of interest to most.

    Frankly it took me a while to get over Martin Luther King. I suspect I am like most people in the South. But over time I came to believe that had it not been for Dr. King there would have been a race war in this country. Dr. King has earned his place in the history of this country. Segregation was wrong and desegregation was going to occur in this country. WWII changed this country in many ways and the demand of the black people to end segregation was one result.

    One thing I have learned: If we see or know people as individuals there is much less of a tendency for racism than when we see them only as a group.

    A second thing I believe: Those who decry racism, those who accuse others of racism, need to examine themselves very carefully.
     
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    I would stand with you.
     
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    Let's see now, Brother!! King was along the lines of the early '60's-----last I remember there were 49 OTHER states involved in the nation other than Alabama

    I would just about bet the farm that if you took a survey-----you know----"fan the coals" a little bit ----- you would find the same type race hatred comeing from every one of the other 49 states besides the one you grew up in and the one I currently live in-------the type race hatred folks had then--------knew no state boundries!!! Still doesn't!!

    Yes sir-------you fan the coals-----even today----the fire of race hatred would flame up from every one of the 50 states-----not just Alabama----Mississippi---Louisiana---Georgia or Tennessee----but from Indiana, Minnesota, New York, Washington, California, Montana, Ohio, Pennsylvania and all the others, too!!

    I don't mean any disrespect to you, Roger-----you're my brother in the Lord Jesus---and always will be----but race hatred had no state boundries---it ran south to north and east to west---and it still does not have state boundry!!
     
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    Thanks for a very good, honest reply.

    It took many us who grew up in the South varying periods of time to come to recognize what a great man he was.

    By the way, one of my still living heros is Will Campbell. His book, Brother to a Dragonfly is one everyone should read.
     
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    Dr. King is sorely missed today. He has been replaced by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

    Much to the detriment of all concerned.
     
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    As you said, let's recognize facts about history.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=84021

    Oh, and I agree with BB to a large degree.

    Wait until the "freebies" run out and then you will see what happens in the 50 states. We will all be looking like Chicago and Detroit!!!
     
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    Um, my only point is that I grew up in Alabama which was at the centre of so much of his work, a work which I am now grateful for.
     
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    My point----(with all due respect again to you) is------in the era you and I grew up----with the generation before us----racial tensions KNEW no state boundries----and is still(though under the rug) a "two way street"---if you know what I mean!!!

    My point today is------race tensions still has no boundries---although we have come a long way in receiving each other's race than in years gone by

    I am reminded of the story that the late, great Dietrich Bonhoffer told---he spent quiet some time in the Manhatten area of New York in his theological/socialogical studies among the blacks of his era----they were receiving of him as well as he was receptive of them

    Upon his departure back to Germany the black leaders asked a request of him----Pastor Bonhoffer--please go back to Germany and tell the German people what a plight we're in---please tell them how we are being treated here----to which Pastor Bonhoeffer thought-----how can I go back to my home country and tell them of the black man's plight---when the people of my country(Germany) are treating the Jew with even worse hand of bondage????????

    Looking back---I can see through the lens of history---the good that King worked for---the equality he worked for-----BUT--that isn't what moved me to lower my "RACE" card------nothing on Dr. King's agenda moved me to receive the African/American ----- nothing ----- rather ----- it was my father and mother---who grew up in the most hostile of era's----who worked through the race cards and by the love of the Lord Jesus Christ lowered the "race card" themselves---without the hand of King guiding them-----it was my father & mother who moved me to lower my "race card"-----but I can still look through the lense of humanity and still see a two way street----and can see where the race card still knows no state boundries regardless of what the people up north say of my ancestry down south--its just as prevelant NORTH as it is SOUTH----and regardless of how much "Philio" love we throw on the sometimes unseen tensions----I have learned through the guidance of my father and mother(not Dr. King)---that the only way to overcome race cards, etc----is only through the AGAPE love shown from God the Father to the Lord Jesus Christ--and then to me!! Only way---is the AGAPE way!!!
     
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    At least outside of the Deep South black folks could stop and use the toilet or grab a bite to eat. They didn't have to fear Klansman Cops abusing them because of the colour of their skin. It didn't take the National Guard to go to school.
     
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    The way in which your statement is made-----would have people who don't know no better believe that EVERYONE in the South treated blacks with not so much a dignity as to "use the bathroom" or to grab a bite to eat at just any ole place

    Truth be told-----that garbage went on in the south---thats true---but I can just about bet the farm that the south had a brother called the north and the north was as hostile as the south----it may be so that the media then seemed to focus camera's with a "tilt" in the south's direction and was "astigmatated" when their camera lense pointed north!!!

    Not every white person in the south treated blacks that way----"No!! You can't use my facilities!!!"-----"No!! Get yourself away from my cafe!!" My roots cannot be traced through any klan blood----physically nor spiritually!!!

    No, sir!!! Not every southerner participated in the cruel mockings of the blacks----just like not every German citizen treated the Jew the way they were treated by what I call German SWINE!! True---there may have been seperate restroom facilities for whites and blacks---and I can remember seperate water fountains for whites & blacks---the whites had "chilled" water fountains---and the blacks had water straight from the spigot---no running the water through some sort of "chiller" for them---we may think that to be cruel---but sometimes "turn around was fair game" and too many times(I can remember) the white "chilled" water's "Chiller" was broken down and the water that came out was just as luke warm as the other one for the blacks---that was right next to each other---but the state didn't have enough money to "fix" the chiller----so they left it broke!!

    Do I want a rerun of the same treatments for the blacks??? No more than a Jew would want to see a resurrection of NAZI hate!!!!!
     
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    True

    As far as I can remember, all major race riots have been outside the deep south in places like Michigan and California.

    Besides, I doubt Roger is old enough to actually remember much of what he's talking about.
     
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    You'd be surprised at my age then. I remember a lot when I was 8,9,10. I remember the coloured bathrooms and coloured fountains at the courthouse. I remember the 'Whites Only' sign at the White Castle on the courthouse square. I remember he anger and hatred the day my elementary school was integrated.

    There is no denying what the Klan Cops did. There is no denying that it took the National Guard to go to school. Those are facts. There is no denying that four little girls died when the Klan bombed their church while they were in Sunday School and it took forty years to convict the killers that everyone knew committed the crime.

    I love Alabama, it's my home. But we can't deny what it was like before Ðr King came along.
     
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    Great day, Roger----is you as old as durt????:laugh::laugh: You schooled in the "Old School" in Alabama---about the same time I was schooled in the "Old School" in Louisiana!!

    And, there is no denying what the Klan Cops did----and may I add that sometimes one could not tell who was the Klan Cop behind the blue patrol uniform, either!!

    You and I know where that black church was that was bombed---here in B'ham----and who in Washington DC's political dignity rose up out of that same church----by the name of Condy Rice

    I am convinced that on resurrection day---our bodies will be fashioned like the Lord Jesus' body-----and I also believe that on resurrection day--we will discover that we(in resurrected form) will be complete with skin pigment of like color as before we died----but the difference will be---when I look out of the eyes of my resurrected body---I will see black folks and they will see white me-----thus our resurrected bodies---to a good part will be much like the ones we have now(only fit for eternity)----what will be different is--------although we will have different color skin then-----our minds will be as the Lord Jesus-----I will look at that black man and he will look at my white me---and we will have but one way to interpret what we see----and thats through the mind of the Lord Jesus!!
     
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    I suspect but there is no way to prove it the white folks in the South cared more for the Black folks than them Yankees did. I also believe that much of the Jim Crow attitude in the South was the result of the so-called reconstruction where White folks were treated like dirt by them Yankees

    I don't know if the ICC ever changed the rates or not but there was a time when it cost more to ship stuff from South to North than from North to South. The South is still getting the shaft with the Voting Rights Act, especially by that racist Attorney General.

    I worked with a Black engineer from Birmingham. He had some stories to tell about the discrimination there. When he started to work he was a very bitter young man. As time progressed and he was treated like every other engineer that changed radically. I had much respect for him.
     
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    Yeah. I remember integration , as well. I was in high school. There were zero problems. No KKK. I do remember separate drinking fountains, restrooms and swimming pools.

    Maybe Texas isn't considered part of the deep South????

    By National Guard, I'm sure you mean the James Merideth incident. I'll bet no one in your school had to have a national guard escort to go to school.

    And I doubt you have any personal knowledge of the Merideth incident. BTW I don't believe he stayed in school even a year. He was a plant.

    Oh yeah life was horrible in the deep south for blacks.

    In the north, they were just packed away into ghettoes, had separate restrooms and drinking fountaisn, and taught to be dependent on the government. Then they rioted and tore up their own neighborhoods and robbed and tore up black owned business. Got any idea how many blacks died in those riots?

    Life was really good in the North for blacks, too. Wasn't it?:rolleyes:

    Truth is, as blackbird has been saying, racial discrimination knew no state boundaries. Your Alabama life experiences was not unique.

    MLK was a deeply flawed man, but he had it all over his acolytes, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I would take King anyday.

    And he did change the face of racial prejudice across the country, not just in the Deep South. So get off your poor old southern pity wagon and admit the problems were much the same all over the country.

    The five day Watts riot in August, 1965 saw 34 people die and a thousand injured; and the 1966 Detroit riot, 43 deaths. There were many others. All outside the Deep South.
     
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    And yet, this racial Utopia was accomplished by seizing the liberty of citizens to associate with whom they wish for any reason they wish.

    Just as the Scopes trial wasn't about the freedom of teachers, the Civil Rights act is not about equality, but about increasing the scope and power of the federal government.

    It laid the foundation for Obamacare.
     
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    I recall segregation well, never went to an integrated school as a young man. Never saw a KKK meeting. Never had any hate for any race. I had my but tanned many times by a black lady. I will say it was much easier , that is segregation being white, I'm sure. With all the bad I hear and much is true and much isn't, I did see more respect than I do today between the races.
    Promotions on most if not all government jobs are race and gender base, not quality of work based.
    I guess we came out of different parts of the south, because what I saw and what you say aren't the same. I spend my last two years of HS in a military school in Va. and I believe they were having to integrate their school starting in 61 or 62, I'm not sure, but some politician in Va. wanted to take 12 years to do it, do 1st grade then add a grade each year. I think at times he might have been correct.
     

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