John R. Rice and the Antichrist

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  1. Protestant

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    Like all good Baptist Pre-Trib Rapture Futurists, John R. Rice has not one clue as to the identity of Mystery Babylon and its Antichrist.

    Rice joins the company of such ‘eminent’ Baptist men as Billy Graham, James Robison and Tim Lahaye in denying the very truths Scripture declares and for which truths centuries of true Christians were martyred.

    (Lahaye has Pope John 24 being raptured in his second Left Behind book series, Tribulation Force. He then has an entire Catholic Church raptured in book ten of the series, The Remnant.)

    http://leftbehind.wikia.com/wiki/Left_Behind_(series)

    In 1979 his Sword of the Lord Publishers distributed Was Pope John Paul 1 a Born-Again Christian?

    In the introduction he declares his message is “neither anti-Catholic or anti-pope.” He continues, “In the first message I bring the honest question, Was Pope John Paul 1 a Born-Again Christian?.....we can hope that he was, though we are not sure.”

    Really? Not sure?

    His second message is entitled, Pope John 23 Seemed to Put His Trust in Christ.

    Rice writes “But about Pope John 23, there is some sweet evidence of a forgiven heart, of a trusting soul, of one who personally knew the Lord Jesus and loved and trusted him.”

    Blinded to a false view of God’s alleged universal ecumenical love for all men, no matter their utter rejection of the commandments of Jesus (though they claim to love and obediently serve the Lord Jesus), no matter the warnings of Scripture that idolaters and liars will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, Dr. Rice proves himself to be devoid of the Spirit of truth who promises to lead all His people into all truth.

    The clear command of Scripture is to come out of the Catholic Church, not to be the Anti-Christian leader of its Christ-hating apostasy.

    Can it be doubted that his rabid hatred of the doctrine of the sovereign election of grace (as well as his unscriptural enthusiasm for a Pre-Trib Rapture escape) has contributed to his dangerous delusion?

    And can the astute Christian reader not discern that the once love of many has waxed very cold?
     
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    Will there be any Catholics saved by God, in your opinion?
     
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    Ecumenical? John R. Rice? You are very mistaken. And why would you start a thread to disparage someone now gone on to Glory? What purpose is in it?

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Book...d Sermons/Dr John Rice/religious_but_lost.htm
     
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    Such "quotes" from Dr. Rice are simply hearsay w/o valid documentation. When quoting someone always give the source that you are quoting, preferably a link. Not every source is reliable.
     
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    True, not all sources are as reliable as the fundy nut job site
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com which you have referenced multiple times in the past.
     
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    The author of the op is going after the Catholic church Westboro style and anyone they can tie to it in any small way.
     
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    I am shocked, shocked that a poster with the screen name "Protestant" is denigrating Catholics.

    Also noted the question begging and innuendo here:

    Really pathetic.
     
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    Even there the site is a hodge-podge of articles written by different authors. One must be discerning about who he quotes. Not all articles are bad. Not all authors are bad. There are some of Jack Chick's material on there. I would not use his, for example.
     
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    They have some valids points there, but seemed way too fixed on KJVO !
     
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    Please re-read OP.

    Source: Introduction to Rice's book, Was John Paul 1 a Born-Again Christian?

    Publisher: Sword of the Lord Publishers

    Date of Publication: 1979

    You may purchase a used copy for your library here:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0873989309?SubscriptionId=0QCHRJVSKG6F3BRGBNG2&tag=pbs_00005-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=0873989309
     
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    For any professing Christian 'renowned' leader -- Baptist or otherwise -- to acknowledge the possibility that the ruling head of the Anti-Christian Roman Catholic Church may be a born again brother in Christ not only betrays his profound unbelief of the Gospel of grace, the power of God and the blood of Christ, as well as a profound misunderstanding of the clear teachings of Scripture which deny and contradict the teachings of the RCC, but it is blasphemous to the holiness of the very God he claims to love and serve.

    In short, to call the Antichrist 'brother' as does Rice, Graham and Robison, etc., is nothing less than a gigantic 'red flag' according to the inerrant Word of God.

    And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    If any man have an ear, let him hear.


    .....and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
     
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    All Catholics saved by the grace of God are professing EX-Catholics who openly and zealously renounce their former ties to the RCC.

    It has been my experience that ex-Catholics are frequently the greatest apologists for biblical truth against the lies of Antichrist.

    For it is often the ex-Catholic, rather than the non-ex-Catholic believer, who understands full well the depth of depravity of the RCC and her Papal head.
     
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    The ever humble 'Reverend' Mitchell now appears to glory in his 'holier than thou' religiosity.

    Does the religious 'Reverend' believe it is possible to be both an open idolater and a follower of Christ?

    Does the religious 'Reverend' believe it is possible to offer sacrifices to devils while at the same time believing Christ's perfect sacrifice never to be repeated?

    Does the religious 'Reverend' hold men in higher 'reverent' esteem than the holy Word of God?

    I'm sure the board would be quite eager to hear your understanding of what it means to be a regenerated blood-bought Christian.....let alone a professed Christian leader and teacher of millions.
     
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    What is ironic, even hilarious, is that such a book and/or stand that J.R. Rice took exposes your position as totally false.
    It is quite evident that all popes from this one previous were not the antichrist, for the antichrist has not yet appeared. For him to suggest that
    John Paul I was a Christian may be ludicrous for you to believe but it wasn't to him, and last I checked we are entitled to soul liberty. Or are you the antichrist that took that away from us! :laugh:

    You have the right to disagree, but not to condemn. Perhaps he saw fruit in said pope, that you never saw. I was a Catholic for two years after I got saved. Then I left the RCC. I am not defending the Pope. Nor am I defending Rice's decision or opinion. But I defend his right to have that opinion.

    The antichrist is a person. He is one and only one person. He will come at a day, and will reveal himself when the Great Tribulation will start. He will make a treaty with Israel and in the midst of that treaty will go in and defile the Temple. These things have not happened yet. There is nothing to suggest that the antichrist will even be a pope.
     
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    physician heal theyself.
     
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    So sad to observe your nonchalant lukewarm attitude toward grievous errors of judgment made by a professing Christian leader and teacher of millions.

    I wonder if other members of this board are also laughing at the hilarity of the situation.

    It is the Word of God who condemns all false teachers and false prophets.

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Are you now testifying to the possibility of either of those Popes being Christian...one of the Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ?

    Do you believe that any Pope in office --present or future -- can be a Christian?

    Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

    Do believe the RCC is a good tree?

    If not, then it's fruit must be evil, as well as the leader of that evil institution.

    You were obedient to the Lord's command:

    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    As I have stated earlier, a saved Catholic is an EX-Catholic who readily renounces his ties to that false and corrupt religion.

    Futurism defends the Pope.

    If he is not the Antichrist, then what is he?

    If he opposes Christ in the name of Christ, claiming the offices of Christ, then he is the Antichrist who holds the papal office one man at a time.

    Neither Rice nor any other Christian leader or teacher has the right to believe and teach a lie which is diametrically opposed to the Word of God.

    The Pope is a person.

    The Pope is only one person who holds the office one person at a time.

    The Antichrist has come and will remain in the papal office until the Day of Christ Jesus. He has been revealed in the Scriptures, in his doctrines and in his practices, as martyred Christians have known and testified for centuries.

    The amount of proofs to that assertion --- undeniable proofs written by those persecuted Christians --- is truly staggering.

    It is truly sad you disbelieve both the Scriptures and the testimony of centuries of brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Were the Baptists also deceived when they wrote in their 1689 Confession:

    "The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. In Him, by the appointment of the Father, is vested in a supreme and sovereign manner all power for the calling, institution, order, or government of the Church. The Pope of Rome cannot in any sense be head of the Church, but he is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, who exalts himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God, who the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of His coming."
     
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    Although all Christians are admonished to be ready always to give an answer to every man who asketh you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear....apparently you are exempt from this command.

    How convenient.

    His Lordship, The good Reverend, needn't bother with such trivial details as what, exactly, constitutes a Christian persona.

    How holy of you.
     
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    Probably. There are not many on the board that agree with you. If I were you I wouldn't expect a great thundering applause to your posts.
    Apparently John R. Rice thought that it was possible for Pope John Paul I to have been saved. That, for some reason has you all worked up, to the point where you think you might be losing your own salvation. :D
    He is entitled to his opinion. He has that right, and you have the right to disagree. Leave it at that.

    There are many Baptists that believe Mother Theresa was a born-again Christian. I don't believe that. But many others do. I don't go battering my head against the wall because others don't accept my opinion. Let it be.
    That is false.
    Your lack of understanding in the Scriptures is astounding.
    First, the antichrist is a political figure, not a religious one.
    Second, if the pope were involved somehow he would play the role of the false prophet who works alongside of the antichrist, but is not.
    Third, both antichrist and false prophets are real persons that exist in time and place. The antichrist is one person, not many.
    You are full of hot air and don't know what you are talking about.
    You are not a Baptist because you deny some of the most precious and basic of all Baptist principles, i.e., soul liberty.
    You act like the Catholic Pope himself because in your very statement above you try and take soul liberty away from others--"NO Christian leader has the right to believe and teach a lie which is opposed..."
    Those are your words. Those are the words of the Pope.
    Those are the words of ISIS.
    Those are the words of Muslim fanatics.
    Those are the words of the Catholic Inquisitions.
    Those are the words of the Crusades.
    And those are your words.
    "No one has the right to believe..." according to you. You have taken away religious freedom, religious tolerance, soul liberty. And yet you live in a nation of liberty. Why don't you go and live in Saudi Arabia and practice your faith??
    You are deceived. Look at what John says:
    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    --As John said "that antichrist" is still to come. He hasn't come yet. However, there are many antichrists, that even in John's day had already come. All those that taught against "the doctrine of Christ" were antichrists. But there is only "one Antichrist" who will be revealed in the last day at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, Jacob's Trouble, The Seventieth Week, etc.
    That antichrist, the rider of the white horse, the first seal of Revelation 6, is a political figure, not a religious one. The Pope doesn't fit that definition.
    I believe the Word of God itself. Centuries of people have followed those that have been deceived in many areas of their lives. If all the sheep follow the one that jumps off the cliff shall I do it too? God forbid!
    Yes, they probably wrong.
    It is a possibility that the pope might be the false prophet, but not the antichrist. In this they are wrong. Even then, it is possible that the antichrist would be a Muslim, the fastest growing religion on the earth. Perhaps he will be an apostate Jew. Perhaps he will come from "Chrislam." Some think that he will be a Roman. There are all kinds of thoughts and ideas out there, almost all of it pure speculation, for God does not specifically tell us.

    Thus the one that is spreading and propagating a lie is yourself for trying to convince people that a certain person is the antichrist when you don't know that for sure. Your hatred is showing--not of a religion, but of a person.
     
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    Good and thorough and TRUE, Protestant!

    Stand fast and PROCLAIM the Truth!

    God bless


     

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