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John Robertson and New Teaching

Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Martin Marprelate, Oct 22, 2011.

  1. Rippon

    Rippon Well-Known Member
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    Do you believe that the Lord owes mankind salvation? Isn't His grace/mercy reserved for those that He wants to extend it to? The Lord is under no obligation to save anyone yet He chose to save a remnant. You don't like that. The Scriptures say not to talk back to the Lord.

    Tortures them forever in Hell for His pleasure?! Who from the Calvinist side has said that on the BB? But the Lord is glorified in the damnation of the wicked.


    Christ is their only hope. That is the stark,naked truth.

    I have made a judgment call that you are the one.
     
  2. Winman

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    Salvation is by grace, no one deserves it. Nevertheless, the scriptures say Jesus died for all men and that God is not willing that any should perish. Salvation is available to all upon the condition they trust Jesus alone to save them.

    In the non-Cal view, all men have the ability to trust Christ if they choose to do so. The only thing that prevents them from being saved is their own unwillingness to submit to God trusting Christ.

    In the Cal/Ref view, no man has the ability to trust Christ unless God regenerates them. If God has chosen to pass you by and not regenerate you, you cannot possibly believe, or even desire to believe.

    This would be just if a man willfully chose to be an unregenerate sinner, but that is not what Calvinism teaches. It teaches that a person is a sinner the moment they are conceived through no choice of that person, or even any actual sin committed by that person.

    So, in Calvinism, the damned are those whom God has chosen to pass over, and there is nothing the unelect can do to be saved.

    In Calvinism, God is very willing that many perish, which directly contradicts the word of God.
     
  3. JesusFan

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    Think that his points conserning tht theology is NOT determined in a vacuum, but have to factor in the historical look at it is valid, what do you think?
     
  4. JesusFan

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    As that is the final verdict, that the light of the Cross has come to all men, and those whom are sinners decided to stay off in their darkness, as God DOES NOT cause one to remain lost, that is their natural state, itsjust that he has elected those will come to the Christ of the Cross and be saved!
     
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