Joyce Meyer's Garbage

I think we need to remember 2Tim. 3:2-7, "For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

 

But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.
Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.

Luke 6:24-26

 

I do not think we should only carry fundamentalist books, however when these books are the ones displayed as books of the month it is what new christians will most likely gravitate towards. They will have no Bible based foundation to start their christian walk.

 

I had the same problem with the Prayer of Jabez craze that went around a couple of years ago. I can't accept a "gospel of prosperity."

 

i wonder why Joyce Meyer gets the shorter end of the stick cf. Mel Gibson. is she less sincere? is God less able to use her poor instruction compared to The Passion? does she lack papal or Saddleback endorsement?

or maybe it's becos she's a woman.

 

While I'm certainly no fan of Benny Hinn or prosperity gospel, and especially not that horrid scam job "Seed Money" garbage (send in exactly $58.76, right now, get up off yr chair, act like you believe, right now), yet I must say that the Bible never says it's spiritual to be poor. Solomon was wealthy. Job was wealthy. Abraham was wealthy. Jacob, Joseph, David, lots of great Bible characters were rolling in dough. Proverbs is full of promises that hard work and honesty and concern for the poor can lead to riches, but we must not set our hearts on riches, nor feel superior, nor neglect the poor.

 

I don't know anything about Joyce Meyer, but why would God want his children to be poor and live in poverty. Do you want your children to be poor?

 

Where does that put the apostle Paul. Was he rich? I don't think so.

When you are poor you learn things that others who have wealth do not. For one you learn about God's providence. In the book of James he says that the poor are rich in faith.

Sometime check into who the biggest givers are in the church you attend. You might be very surprised.

 

I was told a few days ago that her program took in 95 million dollars last year. Just imagine how many missionaries that would support! And they don't even have any need to be rich.

 

Even though I reject Calvinism as it is defined by Calvinists, you have made some good points here Doc.
Paul prayed three times to have his thorn taken from him, but the answer was no. These people cannot face the fact that God can say no, and that He knows what is best for us and/or His glory.

 

There is certainly nothing wrong with being rich, or possessing material things. To say that poverty equals a gracious life is the same thing as saying what Joyce Meyer is saying, that God's intention is for all His children to experience material and financial plenty, and if you're not experiencing this, maybe it's because you do not really believe.

But, to use God's Word and twist it around to earn your money and wallow in it like a pig in the mud is what's wrong. Whether the one doing it is Joyce Meyer or Pat Robertson or any of the propsperity gospel crowd.

Reminds me of the Philippine Communist's New People's Army who tells farmer they're dirt poor because their past generations did not rise up against the ruling classes, and that they can set themselves and their coming generations if the farmers will support the revolution - revolutionary taxes, please.

 

Simply put, God is more concerned with our character than our comfort.

 

She is telling the truth "she is living in her reward now".Her gospel is one of apostasy and error run amuck.

 

Thank you Dr. Bob for your post. I certainly agree with you.

I really think that it comes down to a person's definition of rich!

My mother thought that Christians should be poor and she appeared ashamed of any material wealth that our family had. When she and my Dad gave to the church, it was always done annoymously!


Now my family was not rich by world standards, but we alway had enough and enough to share with others.

My family's beliefs troubled me as a young person because I didn't think that a Christian should have money or that they should seek wealth. Through the years, I learned that this was an extreme belief and that people could be rich and also be Christians.

 

Continue to focus on what is taught in Proverbs about focusing on riches and see how much the person who has them really has.

 

A poster or something in Mad Magazine said "The person who has everything is jealous of the person who has two of everything." That's a great definition of materialism. It is wonderful how God provides for our needs, and not our greeds. He dearly loves us and when we struggle with lack, He teaches us how to endure and get along with less, if necessary for our ultimate good and spiritual growth. God is a wonderful Father and Provider and Friend. He is especially attentive to the poor, the oppressed, the exploited. That's all through Psalms and Proverbs. Praise God!