Judge rules on veil!

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    Yep. If her faith was that deep, then yes. But if this whole business was done to make a political statement....

    well, we'll see, won't we ?

    Have a feeling this may end up in the higher courts, though.

    When our female military personnel are in Saudi Arabia, they are required to obey the laws of that Islamic country. So it should be vice versa, IMO. One should obey the laws of the land they are in. Period.
     
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    Greetings,

    If driving was a right, then I would say picture with the veil is okay, HOWEVER driving is a privilege, and this is something that a person does for a privilege. They need a photo ID. It defeats the purpose of a photo ID if the face is covered. So she should not drive OR remove the veil for the picture.

    peace
     
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    I saw something on CNN.com or ABC.com that said that women in many Muslim countries have to show their face for their driver's licenses.
     
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    It's surprising that a Muslim woman so comitted to wearing the veil would even want to drive. Given it's track record, I would assume that women driving is against Islam somehow.
     
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    Now that Sultana must remove her veil, should she stand by her religious conviction and refuse her driving privileges?
    I believe Islamic law allows a vail to be removed if the common good requires it. In this case, removing it for a DL photo qualifies.

    It's surprising that a Muslim woman so comitted to wearing the veil would even want to drive.
    I wondered the same thing. Another thing I wondered was, driving aside, if she was getting just a state ID card, would she have been required to show her face? From what I've read and seen, the answer there would also be yes. So it's less a matter of driving being a right vs privilege, and more a matter of an identifiable photo ID being a matter of the greater public good, in this case, a matter of national security.

    ...I would assume that women driving is against Islam somehow.
    Some Islamic law societies forbid women from driving, working, etc. Some require women to be veiled, with only the eyes showing. Others require full covering (as in the former Taliban Afghanistan). Others require a head covering, but not a face covering. Some forbid men from uncovering their heads. Others forbid men from having a clean shaven face. Others forbid men from cutting their beards at all, even trimming. Islamic law can be interpreted quite widely. There are indeed extremists when it comes to Islamic law interpretation (the Taliban, for example).

    When our female military personnel are in Saudi Arabia, they are required to obey the laws of that Islamic country.
    I believe the woman in question is a native American citizen, and converted a few years ago. But more to your point, our military personnel, both male and female, were required to adhere to the customs of the country, but only to the point where it did not interfere with their military objective. But I think that's within the point you were trying to make.
     
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    As an interesting side note, women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive at all.
     
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    If she were a Christian woman obeying the NT requirement for a veil from 1 Corinthians 11, I'd say she must obey God rather than men. Period.
     
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    I agree with the growing view that in today's society and depending on where one lives, driving is becoming enough of a necessity as to be viewed as a right. Certainly no constitutional right should have to be waived in order to obtain a driver's license--and constitutional rights are routinely waived in order to obtain a governmental privilege.
     
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    There are states that make exemption for conscientious objectors; I believe Florida used to be one of them until some time after 9/11.

    At least this won't affect the Old Order Amish; they cannot have their photos taken, but they also do not drive.
     
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    Don't forget, you need a photo ID for more than just driving.

    You can't get a bank account or buy beer or anything now a days without an id!

    Do they drink beer?
     
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    In areas with many Amish, businesses are used to dealing with them. Banks don't hassle them or grocery stores or what have you about their refusal to carry graven images of themselves (as they see it). The New Order oppose alcohol, as do the Beachy Amish, but some Old Order drink. Some of them brew their own.
     
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    I've never heard of anyone being stiffed on a bill by an Amish person.
     
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    As I am aware, the Amish are into the idea of home brewing.

    Christian women who want to wear a veil are also required to obey the laws of the society that they live in, there is nothing scripturally wrong with having a photograph on a drivers license.

    If we got down to nitpicking, would God want us to drive cars and pollute?
     
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    Taufgesinnter, there is NO commandment for veiling in the N.T. A 'headcovering' has been discussed repeatedly in the last few months on this board. Even if it were commanded, driving a car and praying are two different... oh, wait a minute... a WOMAN driver. Well [​IMG]

    Please don't turn this into a 'dress/ veiling' thread. We've grown tired of those who have chosen to return to legalism forcing their conviction upon those of us who have accepted the freedom from the Law!

    Diane
     
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    Very good point! She doesn't have to remove the veil if she doesn't want to; just if she wants to get a driver's license. It's her choice. That's no different than choices that we as Christians have to make on a regular basis - does conforming with the rules of society cause me to disobey my Christian convictions? If so, don't do it.
     

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