Judgement Seat of Christ

There is no difference between Matthew chapter 25 and Revelation 20:11-15, both are same event.

I read Charles Haddon Spuregon commentary on Matt 25:31-46, he called it, 'judgment seat of Christ'. I agree with him.

There is only ONE Throne that Christ sits on it, He shall judge the world.

Later this week, I will discuss more about it.

Bema is no different from judgement, Bema is not always for the reward. Bema means judgment.

Ed, I will respond back to you about the judgement day this week.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Agreed. However, if Paul wanted to communicate a negative judgment, he would have used the word "kreno" - which implies condemnation - and not "bema" - which everyone would have associated with as reward.

This is why you must study the original languages.

 

We have read the Word of God wherein the "Church" is considered to be the "Body of Christ" not the "Bride of Christ".

1Co 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1Co 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Col 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

And we also know that the Word of God refers to Jesus, The Christ as the "Last Adam".

1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made * a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


Now we know that this verse refers to Christ Jesus since the word "quickening" here, in the Greek is Zoopoieo meaning

to produce alive, begat or bear living young
to cause to live, make alive, give life
by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate
to restore to life
to give increase of life: thus of physical life
of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
metaph., of seeds quickened into life, i.e. germinating, springing up, growing
Jesus referred to this meaning when he said

Mt 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Mt 17:9
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Mr 9:9
And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

Joh 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


So, now that we have established the Christ is the "Last Adam", let us take a moment to visit the "First Adam" and his bride.


Genesis 2

2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

2:21
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
2:22
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.


Here is a mystery

Why did God deliberately take the bride of the "First Adam" from the "body" of the "First Adam"?
Why did God not reach down and get another handful of clay and make Eve from a separate handful of clay?

The mystery is cleared up when we apply the rule of "first mention" to this deliberate act of God.

This is a perfect example or type, of how God intends to remove the body of the "Bride of Christ" from the Church, the body of the "Last Adam". That is right, the Church is the "Body of Christ", not the "Bride of Christ".

The Bride of Christ must be removed from the Body of Christ, the "Last Adam" at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5

5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
5:11
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

1 Corinthians 3

3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
3:12
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
3:13
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
3:14
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Paul is talking to the brethren [saved people] of the Church here, not the unsaved which cannot be called brethren.


Hebrews 3

3:8
Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
3:9
When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
3:10
Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
3:11
So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)


These scriptures and others are explicit in their meaning and can be taken for their face value. The Apostle Paul is making it plain that "our labor", after Spiritual rebirth, must be "be accepted of him [Christ] at the Judgment Seat.

The Apostle Paul is also making it clear that if any man's work shall be burned, [not being accepted of Christ] he shall suffer loss.

And finally the Apostle Paul is making it unquestionable in Heb. 3:11 that some of God's children will not make it into the "Kingdom of Heaven [the 1000 year Millennial Reign of Christ].
So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

How do we know that the "rest mentioned here is the 1000 year Millennial Reign of Christ?

The "rest" He is talking about is His Sabbath day. The 7th 1000 year day. The 1000 year Kingdom reign of Christ. Christ's first advent was during the forth [1000 year] day and almost two [1000 year] days have gone by since then and the Sabbath rest of Christ is the next [1000 year] day on God's calendar.

Are we ready to meet Christ at the Judgment Seat?

Here is how you may know for sure.

Galatians 5

5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
These things are spoken of in the sense that if they are our habits or lifestyle they will become those things which will keep our works from being accepted and thus keep us from our inheritance of in Kingdom. These examples are not speaking of the occasional or isolated sins that pop up because we have yet to be delivered from these bodies of flesh.

5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Galatians 6

6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
6:3
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
6:4
But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
6:5
For every man shall bear his own burden.
6:6
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
6:9
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
We shall reap our inheritance in the Kingdom, "if we faint not."

6:10
As we have therefore * * opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially * * unto them who are of the household of faith.
The question might be asked: Why would Jesus die for us to give us eternal life and yet, before we get to that place of eternal rest, exclude us from His Kingdom for 1000 years? The answer is that Christ is not the one who excludes any of His children from any of His promises. It is rather, His children whom exclude themselves from His promises. Our Lord is Holy and Just, above all other things, and cannot favor any of His children over any other. If He did that He would cease to be God and we know that is not going to happen. "Let God's Word be true and all men be made liars".
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

Moses did not go into the Promised Land because of unbelief and where there is unbelief there is disobedience.

It is my sincere hope and prayer that each and every one that reads this message will get to go in to the Kingdom of Heaven which is our promised inheritance through our Lord and Saviour, Jesus, the Christ "If" we faint not.


May the Lord bless and keep each and every one of His Children.

Your brother in Christ,

 

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hello,

there is no difference great white judgment between judgment of christ. both are same meaning. early chruch father to reformation age teach one future judgment at second advent. until john darby developed new doctrine
why not you all accept what the bible saying.

i argee with deafposttrib saying this post Bema is not reward. Christ will judge ALLLL nations at after second advent. following after ressurecction.

ED edwards, please show me all five judgment found a verse from the bible.

brumleyj
ps27:1

 

i forgot to add some words with my post here. daniel 7:26 is speaking of judgment day at after second advent refer with daniel 7:9-10 , rev 20:11-15, hebrew 9:27



brumleyj
ps27:1
amem

 

Brumley: "ED edwards, please show me all five judgment found a verse from the bible."

Please explane what it is you think you
want me to do. I'm not going to write you
Master's Thesis for you.

" ... WHy not you all accept ;what the
Bible is saying ... "

Everybody who psoted here with over 100 posts
I know and know that they accept what
the Bible says. But apparently you don't
understand that what the Bible says and
what you think it says are NOT the same thing.
You don't seem to know that what
the Bible says and what your mentor thinks
it means are two different things.
Surprisingly enough, the more you learn
the more you will find the less you know
(assuming you are honest, which i suspect
your are).

Did you read the part i posted about
the 24-judgements above in THE FIVE
JUDGEMENTS POST? It is the very nature
of Go0d to judge. So watch your footsteps.

BTW "watch your footsteps" is a metonymy,
the use of one object or concept for
to repersent the key features of the whole
of which it is part. If I say
"I'm a foot", i don't mean that ed has
somehow become all foot, i mean that as
a foot does all the walking, i have to
do all the walking, in other words, i don't
have my car right now.

So "watch your footsteps" meansd to
"watch yourself". Always good advise.
And whatch out for those lyrical devices
like "metonymy"

 

Ed,

You still not answer brumleyj's question, he asked you to prove verses to support five different judgments. Please list verses to support five judgments.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Have some one
draw you a picture of my answer:
"I'm not going to write you
Master's Thesis for you."

The request is NOT a 5-minute request.
And unless the man has 100s of hours, he
cannot possibly understand my answer.

Did you know the Hebrew Hymnbook: the Psalms,
is cited in the New Testament when
prophecies in it were fulfilled?
There are prophecies in the Psalms?
Apparently so. What then of known
prophetic passages -- are they 3 or 4
layers deep?

On page 2 of this topic, on 05 Sept,
i posted an evangelitical message
called THE FIVE JUDGEMENTS.
This one of the few Evangelical messages
on this Forum, maybe this whole board.
Do posties have evangelical messages?
Isn't it about time you did?
Anyway, THE FIVE JUDGEMENTS shows facts
about five ilmportant judgemetns
which everyone who takes their
Bible serious should know.

Which part of salvation are we having
problmes with now?

In another thread Bro. BrumleyJ shows he
hasn't the first idea about the term "last".
I See no reason to start with the scriptues
which i've sumarized in my THE FIVE
JUDGEMENTS, unless we all have about three
years to complete the chore.

Then there are others who, when i expand
my SIMPLE summary by using complex
scriptures, get all huffy. Sorry, i didn't
make the scripture complex, Jesus Did.

OVer in "which coming" Bro. brumleyJ
says 300 verses are TOO MANY, and i'm
supposed to print out 1/3 the bible?
IT may take awile.

Here is the homework assignment:
Please show the twelve main pictures
of Christian salvation as found in
the Holy Scriptures.

 

I'm sorry Doctor, but it appears to be YOU who has the bad theology. If you look at the use of the term "Bema" in the BIBLE (not anywhere else), you'll find that Pilate sat on one to try Jesus (Matt 27:19, John 19:13). Could he only give good rewards??? Paul was brought to Gallio on a "Bema" by the Jews (Acts 18). Did the Jews want him to get rewards??? Festus did the same in Acts 25 - was that to reward him??? No, a "judgment seat" is just that. And as Paul says (2 Cor 5), we will be judged for what we have DONE. As I seem to have pointed out in three different discussions now in the last day, this judgement has terrible possibilities. That is why Paul continues to say, "Konwing therefore the TERROR of the Lord, we persuade men..." It is NOT just a place where Christians can be rewarded. It is a place they can be PUNISHED, too. "But how can I be punished if I'm saved?" Simple - the same way that God can punish saved people in this life. Remember, Jesus promised believers that they'd be raised up at the LAST DAY. They will not be punished after that. But there are one thousand years' worth of days to follow the judgement seat of Christ, and attaining unto the FIRST RESSURECTION (before the 1000 years) is a reward. It is a shame that this teaching is so seldom heard today - if it were, then more Christians might wake up.

 

Ed,

you still not show us the verses to support 5 judgments, then your logical is fallacy, and no sense.

Dan. 7:9-10 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: THE JUDGMENT WAS SET, AND THE BOOKS WERE OPENED."

Daniel 7:9-10 is very clear speak of a great white throne. Notice, it says, "and the books were opened", Do you know where Daneil 7:10 refers to? It refers to Rev. 20:12 - "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; AND THE BOOKS WERE OPENED, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Rev. 20:11-15 speaks of a great white throne. Same with Dan. 7:9-10 speaks of a great white throne. I only see ONE judgement day of Dan. 7:9-10, not two or three judgment days according to dispensationalism doctrine.

2 Tim. 4:1 tells us, Christ shall judge both quick and dead- when? AT HIS APPEARING. It clears teaching us, there is the only ONE judgment day, not two or three.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Excuse me, DeafPosttrib, your whole post
is off topic. We are speaking here of
the "Judgement Seat of Christ" NOT OTHER
JUDGEMENTS OF CHRIST.

Which of the following do you disagree with?

Ed's summary of the topic's judgement:

2. Judgement Seat of Christ
WHO: Believers for works
WHEN: during the Great Tribulation on earth;
Right after the Rapture/Resurrection that starts
the Tribulation
WHERE: Heaven
WHY: to assign rewards to the redeemed for their good works
HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
WHAT: found innocent by the Bood of Jesus

Do you beleive that Christians will be
judged for their works?
As you know, the pretribs believe the
Judgement Seat of Christ to give rewards to
the Church Age Saints will be in heaven
during the Tribulation period on earth.
This is smart, for some of the rewards that
some gentile Christians will receive is
the right to participate in the physical
Millinnial Kingdom of Christ on a physical
throne on a physical throne of David on
a physical earth. So posties have to confuse
the Bema Seat judgement of Christians
with the Great White Throne Judgement
of the damned of the ages at the end of
the ages.

 

Oops, hit my button too soon:

I believe that the Judgement Seat of Christ
rewards ceremony will be heald in Heaven.

I belive thet the purpose of the Judgement
Seat of Christ is to reward those faithful
of the Church Age rewards for what they
have done for Jesus. There are no punishments
due in judgement to the Saved of the Church
Age elect Saints, only various reqards
This is what i mean when i said:
"WHY: to assign rewards to the redeemed for their good works"

 

Fantastic logic, not correct, just fantastic,
maybe even strange.
Quoted on the White Throne Judgement at
the end of this world:
Daniel 7:9-10
Revelation 20:11-15.

Then it is claimed: "I only see ONE
judgement day ... "
Yes, yuo only see one judgement day because
you are only looking at verses about
one judgement day. This is the judgemetn #5
that i cite in my evangelistic post
called FIVE JUDGEMENTS on page 1
of this topic.

The subject of this Topic is: the Judgement Seat
of Christ. That is #2 on my list.
You are speaking of a totally different judgement.

You are sitting in the Ford Sales Lot showing
us short bed pick-ups and Crew Cab pick-ups
all the while trying to claim there is no
such thing as a Dodge Ram (pick-up).

"Non-sequitur" is TO kind.

 

Luv ya, Ed.

 

I didn't ignore your "first post" brother. You keep preaching the Kingdom!

Lacy Evans

 

The problem is, Heb. 3:11 does not say "a thousand years"

Heb. 3:11 speaks of His wrath upon people who disobedience and not have belief on the Lord, they cannot enter eternal life.

The context of Hebrews chapter 3 and 4 talk about Moses and Hebrews in the wilderness. They cannot enter the rest. 'Rest' represent Canaan. It tells us, the first generation, which was delivered by God from Egypt, all of them died, cannot make to enter Canaan because of their unbelief. The only two remain left of the first generation to enter Canaan - Joshua and Calieb.

Jude 5 - "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, AFTERWARD DESTROYED them that believed NOT." It tells us, God did saved them out of Egypt, but afterward, they were destroyed because of their unbelief. Clear, they are in hell now. Romans 11:19-23 tell us, Jews were cut off because of their unbelief. Obivously, they are in hell already.

'Rest' is not speak of millennium, it speaks of eternal life.

Canaan is the type of heaven - eternal life.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Describe "type" as understood by Bible scholars.
Feel free to use the terms "metaphor" and
"simile".

How is the Hebrew rest of entering the Promised Land
a type of the Jewish entry into the physical
Millinnial Kingdom of Jesus?

Anyway, what does this have to do with the topic of
this thread? Can we at least occassionaly have
a post on-topic?

 

Ed,

The problem is, Daniel 7:9-10 does not showing it is the fifth judgment day. Obivously, Dan. 7:9-10 speak of the only one genereal judgment day same with Rev. 20:11-15.

Your logical of five different judgment days do not prove in the Bible. You do need solid evidence with verses in the Bible to support your logical of five different judgment days.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

'Rest' is like as peace and being liberty. Widerness is type of tribulations and trials. Right now, we are in the wilderness throughout our Christians life. While we are through wilderness, these tribulations and trails test our faith, that we go through them same with Acts 14:22.

Luke 13:24 tells us, that we in the road that we are in the battle right now. We are not done with it, while we are walking on this road, we must fight with our faith on this course all the way till the end - Matt. 10:22; Matt 24:13. Once we past the "finish line" in the race, then we will be finally rest from the battle, "it is DONE". Rest is the picture of eternal life, not "millennial kingdom".

Nothing in the context of Hebrews chapter 3 and 4 speak of millennial kingdom, because "a thousand years" is not mentioned anywhere in that context.

There are many types in the Bible. Mostly are in the Old Testament. Abraham sacrificed his own son - Isaac. Isaac is the type of Christ, that he accepted his father's offering. Same with Christ accepted His Father's offering - cross.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!