Judges ignorant of contstitution strike again

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  1. thjplgvp

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    Sad story, and the fruit of what happens when we vote in Godless judges and people in power. Judges have too much power in this country and there has been a shift from interpreting and enforcing the law to making the law what they want it for their personal agenda.
     
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    And how again is a 29-foot cross, the symbol of Christianity, not a government endorsement of one religion over another? Do you not think there were Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, and other veterans who died fighting for our side in the Korean War?
     
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    The 29-foot-high cross was dedicated as a memorial to Korean War veterans in 1954 on a hilltop that towers over seaside La Jolla.

    Yes, I am sure there were Warriors of other religions who died in Korea...

    But, it is a Viet Nam Era atheist who is challenging the cross after being sought for by the ACLU so they could bring the case...

    *IF* the Korean vets of other religions had had a problem with it they should have sought justice then... Not some forty years later...

    But, when the Cross was erected there was _not_ an all out assault on the *any* and *all* public symbols of the Christian Faith by the ACLU...

    Why?

    Because true Christianity is the ONLY thing that stands between the ACLU's goals of making America a Godless Socialist Regime...

    The Supreme Court has recently set forth a decision that the mere display of a religious symbol doesn't promte a particular religious belief...

    Another Federal Court has actually called the bringing of these Separation of church and State lawsuits frivolous because so such clause exists in the US Constitution...

    It does, though, in other words, say that in the Comunist Constitutions... Hmmmmmmm

    Mike Sr.
     
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    You wrote lots I could rebut, however let me just give you this for now, as I am off soon to see the Rockies & Astros...

    The phrase "Separation of Church & State" is indeed not in the constitution. Those are just words to describe a concept, which clearly is there. Just as "separation of powers" and "checks & balances" are also not there, but describe concepts that are.

    Also, the word Trinity is not in the Bible. Does that mean the concept doesn't get endorsed by the text? Same thing.
     
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    I used to think McCarthyism went out of fashion 50 years ago.
     
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    And, just what are you saying?

    That we should welcome Socialism into our country?

    Or, that I am actually old enough to know what you're talking about?
     
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    "And how again is a 29-foot cross, the symbol of Christianity, not a government endorsement of one religion over another?"

    The cross is a memorial to and of a lost loved one, an acknowledgment of their sacrifice and a symbol of the hope of the living. It is a custom in our country to give honor to which honor is due.

    The symbol of Christianity is a fish therefore would you advocate removing all pictures of fish from our public colleges, schools and such? Should we make fishing illegal? Should we ban the fishing industry because they are contributing to the furtherance of fishing?

    Fishing is part of our culture and people of all cultures fish and people of all cultures love their lost ones and desire to be reminded that there is hope.
     
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    Your fish is a red herring! Not all fish are Christian symbols. All latin crosses are.
     
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    It's not the same cross as originally erected.
     
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    Wow. I never knew this place existed. I love the reason this site was selected to build the memorial for veterans. http://www.soledadmemorial.com/about.html

    It appears it is the same cross as originally erected, however, they have added memorial plaques to honor a veteran of any war, not just the Korean War.

    This battle has been going on for 16 years now. How can anyone, who doesnt believe in anything, be so offended by something, which means nothing to them, they have had to look at for at least the last 16 years?

    I never would have thought 'commitment' was part of an atheist's vocabulary.
     
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    The phrase "Separation of Church & State" is indeed not in the constitution. Those are just words to describe a concept, which clearly is there. </font>[/QUOTE]It is clearly NOT there. There is not Separation of Church and state, in fact our founding fathers believed that God was necessary for good government. The only thing they were concerned with was the Government interfering in the Church not the other way around.


    "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government." James Madison


    http://www.lc.org/Resources/separation.html

    http://www.ourchurch.com/view/?pageID=131178

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35420

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1274528/posts
     
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    Thanks for the link, eac. When did the concentric granite circles get installed? That is an impressive memorial.

    You're right, this particular one has been there since 1953, but there had been an earlier cross there erected in 1913 (linkie).
     
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    I am always amazed at those who don't believe in the concept of separating religion and government. The alternative is entangling of religion and government, always a prescription for persecution and conversion at the end of a sword.
     
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    We lasted at least 200 hundred years without this separation nonesense taking the forefront...

    I would say that since this garbage has started we have seen America really start sliding down the tubes...

    I would also say that we have seen more of the 'conversion at the end of a sword' since the all out assault on Christianity has started...

    Mostly young believers 'impressed' by adversarial professors to compromise their faith for the sake of passing a course...

    I would say that the academic prowess of our schools has declined exponentially since God was kicked out...

    It has been the Moral Absolutes of the Christian Faith that has preempted persecution...

    That has kept us a free country...

    That has made us tolerant of people who make cases to destroy the very foundations of a nation that gives them freedom...

    Be amazed at me... All you want...

    But, it may be safer to run *honest* projections of what life would be like if all the "Salt" of Christianity was suddenly removed from America...

    And, you wouldn't like what an honest simulation would leave you with...

    Mike Sr.
     
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    SMM, you keep me in awe of how someone can be so misinformed.

    Fallacious argument ( Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc ).

    Besides, this "garbage" started with the founding fathers, not any recent developements.

    Really? Care to cite some evidence for this absurd assertion? And what "assault on Christianity" would that be?

    If compromising their faith involves not being able to separate religion and science, then shame on the student. If it is truly coersion by faculty to deconvert a student, that is wrong as well. I have seen no evidence of any widespread coersion by professors, as you assert...but merely unsupported anecdotal arguments.

    When did God get kicked out of schools? Is your God so weak that he can be kicked out of a school? Mine is not!

    If you refer to SCOTUS decisions re: coerced prayer in public school, you are mistaken. Students can pray anytime, as long as they don't disrupt the class. Court rulings have said the school, as a proxy of the state, may not endorse or lead any prayer in a PUBLIC school. This is fair. Do you want an Islamic teacher leading your child in a prayer to Allah?

    It has been adherence to this great experiment in representative republican government, and the expansion of freedoms to previously persecuted classes (blacks & women for example) by an "activist" court that has kept us a free nation.

    More fallacious arguments. No one has endorsed the removal of Christianity from the U.S. It is only that in terms of the body politic, all religions must be treated equally and fairly, with endorsement of none. Thus the wisdom of separation. Render unto Caesar what is Caesars, and unto God what is God's.

    Edited to add, why on earth would you imagine I would want Christianity removed? That would remove my rights. But for me to have mine, the rights of those who disagree with me must also be respected.
     
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    MP,

    By advocating a separation of God's Moral Law from Government you are in fact advocating the removal of Christianity from Public Life...

    And, when Christianity is excised from Public Life it will not be long thereafter until it is excised from Private Life as well...

    When you take the devils side in this debate you risk being considered Anathema Maranatha...

    As to why you would want to take the devils side...

    I can only guess that you have been to an institute of supposedly higher learning, been brainwashed and compromised by the enemy...

    Now I need to leave this particular thread because the limits of my Christian Patience has been exceeded...

    And, I really like posting on this Board...

    Mike Sr.
     
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    Yep. Typical.
     
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    MP,

    Your counter-argument, that "Separation of Church and State" is as surely in the Constitution as separation of powers and checks and balances is, IMO, playing fast and loose with the concept. The latter two phrases are undisputed phrases applied to the powers given in the Constitution, phrases which are accurate on the face of them, on a cursory reading of the Constitution. "Separation of church and state", however, is the perpetuation of a misunderstanding of the free exercise and establishment clause by Thomas Jefferson, an interpretation not supported in the framing of the First Amendment or in any early SCOTUS decisions. We can all disagree on the meaning of the two First Amendment clauses and I enjoy such exchanges but to argue that that phrase is as clear a description as the latter two you mention is completely inaccurate.
     
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    Christianity made its greatest progress when it was outlawed and it has been down hill ever since Constantine.
     

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