Just a Book

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  1. amen_corner

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    The first time I preached at my current church (I'm an associate pastor) a fellow came up afterward and said, "Nice speech." He said it in a way that caused me to say, "What do you mean?"

    He responded, "That wasn't a sermon...it was a speech." Now, I've got about 75 preaching books, and have finished a DMin in expository preaching, and have a passion for preaching the Word expositionally. So, I wondered what he meant.

    He continued to say that since I didn't preach out of the Bible, then I didn't deliver a sermon. I held up my NKJV and said, "What do you call this?" To which he said, "Just a book." And he walked off.

    Is he right?
     
  2. dianetavegia

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    Sounds like a closed minded man to me! Now if you used Shakespeare and other worldly authors like the preacher we had in Connecticut in the ABC I might agree with him but I happen to love my NKJV!

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    No, He is not right. I think if he says this to you again,"Nice Speech", you should say "Thank you, I appreciate that" ;)
     
  4. Precepts

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    Sounds to me like the man was used to hearing preaching and not seminary expositional and Dr. Plopbottom"s method of delivery.

    Try getting a MESSAGE from God and leave all the eductaional linguistics alone for a little while. A sermon birthed in the mind will only reach the mind of those trained to respond with their minds. Sounds like the man you were referring to spoke from his heart.
     
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    Sounds to me like the man was used to hearing the shallow-"yelling" type sermons, which the KJVO:kjbo thrives on.
    Try to get a MESSAGE from God, esp in the languages He wrote for richness, which human translations, esp ones old like the ole rusty sword, and as stale bread to the modern reader searching for truth, but has to go through all the "baggage" of ole Ingles. Sounds like the man spoke from his human-centered Pharisaical O-pinion to me. :eek:
     
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    Peace and love to you in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,

    amen_corner,

    It would be difficult for me to give you an abosute on this, because I was not there to hear it. From what I understand regarding a sermon, is that it is to edify the church. Expositional teaching, in the definition of exposition, would be to explain something, or expound upon something. A sermon is meant to teach morals, moral duties, meat from the word of God to teach and edify and instruct believers with a sense of authority, and led by the Spirit of God. Was your preaching concerning these things? Or was your preaching focused more upon those who are unbelievers? There are many things that one doesn't know of here, that were contained in your preaching in order to answer your question.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    ....but, it does sound like he is somewhat rude.
     
  9. amen_corner

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    I use the term expository as opposed to topical. In other words, the message comes directly from the biblical text. Where does a message from God come from? The WORD! So, I only preach the WORD, which the seminary I attended challenge me to do, and only do when it comes to preaching.

    His issue with me was with the translation I used. My pastor routinely preaches topical message that I sometimes have a hard time finding the points in the text. He had no issue with my pastor, based solely on the fact that the pastor uses KJV.

    So again, is it possible to preach the Word from the NKJV?

    Precepts, I don't think you'd recognize a true expository sermon if it bonked you on the head, or better yet, hit you in the heart, because if you really understood exposition, and the expository approach to preaching, then you would know that it isn't some ivory tower lecture.
     
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    He was confused. Perhaps you should have shown him that your NKJV does not have an Apocrypha with insructions for prayers for the dead.

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    Really? Care to expositate a little while? Oh I understand expositional "teaching" just fine, do quite a lot of it myself, but when I preach I use expositional teaching, I also expose sin for what it is, I also relate many scriptures in context of course to my expose'. The I apply some scipture to get to the heart of man just like preaching is suposed to do. It's not foolishness, Sir, but PREACHING! God chose preaching to save them which believe!

    Maybe the cemetary only taught you to teach and pushed Bible preaching aside and you really don't know what it really is?

    Let's see your expository, Sir, if you don't have anything against the King James Bible then let's use it, else I might have to expose your mv's error.
     
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    Really? Care to expositate a little while? Oh I understand expositional "teaching" just fine, do quite a lot of it myself, but when I preach I use expositional teaching, I also expose sin for what it is, I also relate many scriptures in context of course to my expose'. The I apply some scipture to get to the heart of man just like preaching is suposed to do. It's not foolishness, Sir, but PREACHING! God chose preaching to save them which believe!

    Maybe the cemetary only taught you to teach and pushed Bible preaching aside and you really don't know what it really is?

    Let's see your expository, Sir, if you don't have anything against the King James Bible then let's use it, else I might have to expose your mv's error.
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    Why can't we have a rule banning the use of the word "cemetary" when talking about a "seminary"

    That not only belittles the man that has taken the time and dedicated himself to the work of the Lord, but also goes against what the Bible says, "Study to show thyself approved."

    People that call seminaries, cemetaries, are full of pride, or are either jealous of true men of God, that have devoted themselves enough to God to learn something about Him.
    Either way, it is a sin to slander a man in that way.

    BTW, It was wrong of that man to say that about your sermon. Maybe something you said convicted him. God may be dealing with him to repent of his KJVO ways. BTW, what was your sermon on?
     
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    Why would we want to
    do that? It reminds us that
    most KJVOs are:

    1. anti-MV
    2. anti-education
    3. anti-success

    It is that third belief wherein we
    can hope - they will not succeede
    lest they loose face [​IMG]
     
  16. amen_corner

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    I think Precepts is perplexed. He has yet to address the original post, which focused on my friend's KJVO opinion that if a man preaches and uses another version than KJV then it only qualifies as a speech...regardless of who is doing the preaching.

    I also know that you weren't there. You have no idea what I preached, or how. So, just assume that it was doctinally sound, evangelistically hot, and Christ-centered, Spirit-led, surrendered preaching. Imagine whatever level of volume that you must for it to qualify as "preachin'". Now, was my friend right to say that since I didn't hold in my hand and preach from a KJV then I didn't really preach?

    BTW, this happened 3 years ago, and I can't remember the sermon. But, my friend, and he was a dear friend...we talked often about this subject, always with grace. But he was firm, and serious in his belief that it was not possible to preach w/o the KJV.

    Precepts, is his perspective correct?
     
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    amen_corner,

    You are wasting your time and energy trying to get an answer out of Precepts. All he can see are shades of KJVOnlyism, so don't bother.

    It was wrong, and incredibly rude, of the aforementioned gentleman to mak such a comment to you. What he says in private is one thing, but (and as a fellow preacher I can say this) what he says to the one who delivered the sermon carries on for a long, long time. Some men still carry the scars from remarks such as this.

    It is one thing to say something about the content of the sermon, to call into question the application or passage used, but it is another to totally disregard the sermon because you did not use the translation of HIS choice. No man has the right to do so, but I have discovered that Christians are much more cruel than unbelievers in this respect.

    An unbeliever doesn't know the difference between one or the other (except that one sounds all'high-hat' and is hard to understand) and is therefore non-judgemental. A church-going Christian, however, has his own opinion of what 'ought' to be said or done. And most of them will be vocal if you violate one of their 'sacred' rules.

    Personally, I do not care for the NIV. One of our deacon's sons was in off the mission field and came and preached for us. He used the NIV. I did not walk out, nor did I take it upon my self to let him know. I was blessed by the sermon in spite of the translation he used.

    Hold to your calling, brother. Preach His word, and use whatever translation you want to. The main thing is that you keep the main thing the main thing.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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    Trotter, amen!
     
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    For shame, Precepts. Really shameful there.

    Keep preaching the Word there amen_corner. Don't let people like Precepts discourage you.
     
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    No discouragement in my corner...just trying to learn about the KJVO perspective.
     

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