Just obey it!

Discussion in 'Bible Versions/Translations' started by stilllearning, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. stilllearning

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    Hello everyone

    I just got back from vacation and found this thread by Deacon(“...against you”) and realized that Rob has given us one of the greatest practical examples, of why every Christian should use one and only one version of Scripture(in their language);

    Because if they use more than one, than “THEY” will be making these kinds of decisions.
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    Are any of us qualified, to decided which words should or should not be in the Bible?

    No!!

    The Bible says what it means and means what it says:
    (All we have to do is obey it.)
     
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    Tell you what - you follow your logic and I'll take the advice of the brilliant men who gave us our beloved KJT of the scriptures:

    Those guys were brilliant! I am so grateful for their work and their advice on how to use it. Some would have us follow the counsel of Sixtus Quintus and forbid the variety of readings. The 'dictators of Rome' have been replaced by a few 'dictators of fundamentalism' who would tragically tell us that God is limited to one human translation. These guys told us that 'the eyes of the world are now opened' and I join them in saying 'God be thanked!'
     
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    Whoa! I agree that the Bible is authoritative.

    But it's not just as easy as reading and obeying. We have to exegete and interpret. We have to know the context in which it was written. That's why we have Bible studies and sermons. That's why people study Biblical languages and exegesis. That's why we have Biblical archeology and historical theologians. It's in order to be good stewards of Biblical text in our day today.

    If it were always that easy with the Bible, we wouldn't need much of that. We also wouldn't have well-meaning, honest scholars as well as faithful followers who disagree so profoundly on many, many topics.

    We just have to be careful.
     
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    This reminds me of the old joke about the guy who asked God to give him a message from Scripture for the day, flipped open his Bible and then pointed to a verse without looking. The verse read, "And Judas went out and hanged himself." The fella says, "That can't be right" and flips his Bible open, points again, and this time the verse reads "Go and do thou likewise." He decides to try again, and this time the verse is "And what thou doest, do quickly."

    If only it were that easy. Unfortunately, well-meaning but misguided men (at best) and straight-out evil men have taken what the Bible says and twisted it to fit their own conclusions.

    I have read from cover to cover at least 5 different translations of the Bible in English and Spanish and have never found anything that led me to mistrust or doubt God's Word. The problem (as I see it) is those who pace their faith in Man's translation of God's Word instead of placing their faith in God who promised to preserve His Word - and has - in a variety of translations in a variety of languages all of which we are blessed to have.

    To follow the logic in the OP would mean to deny the plain teaching of 2 Timothy 2:15. God's Word is milk AND meat- milk for the babe (easy to digest) and meat for those who are growing and need to chew (study).

    2 Peter 3:15,16- (bolding mine)

    And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
     
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    The Bible - God's chosen, breathed-out very Words - is inspired and perfect.

    Sadly, men's translations are not. So I'd agree with the premise - use ONLY God's Word, not men's fallible translations.
     
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    Ummmmm...where do we get that then?
     
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    No problem. Not ONE word of God's perfect inspired revelation has been lost. Everyone in every nation has them.

    Now, of course man-made errors have crept in there, too. So it takes a bit of work to decipher God's Words from man's additions, but it's all there. (Always tickles me to have folks deny that God has preserved His exact inspired WORDS but then many think since He failed at that, he corrected His oversight by giving it again in Jacobean English. What foolishness)

    Try it, you'll like it. I enjoy some translations, but I rely on God's Words.
     
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    Hello jaigner

    You said........
    I agree with all of these things: But NONE of them are possible, if we are convinced that we can not know for sure which words are in the Bible, to begin with.


    And that is what Deacon’s thread pointed out.
     
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    With all due respect, I find your post ridiculous and totally illogical.
     
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    It is hard not to mock such a post as yours, as if simple truth is too much overload.

    1. God gave His exact inspired words
    2. God preserves His exact inspired words; none are "missing"
    3. Man copies them in 5500 documents (no 2 agree with each other because men make errors and additions)
    4. Man takes all 5500+ copies and come up with the exact inspired words
    5. Man then translates them (imperfectly but the best he can do) into every language of the world
    6. But to find out exactly what GOD said (not man), man goes back to those originals

    God gives man the responsibility to use his brain to properly uncover and proclaim and give the sense of His exact Words.

    (Thankfully the original autographs are not around. If man worships a fallible translations like the bibliolatrous only sect does, can you imagine if they had an actual page from Paul or Moses?)

    BTW, please tell me which of #1-6 is a lie.
     
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    So, do you agree with those brilliant men who gave us the KJT or not?
     
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    Hello C4K

    I’m sorry, I didn’t think you were expecting a response from me.

    To tell you the truth, I didn’t take your post seriously, because it was off topic.
    (This thread is about The Word of God, and you responded with quotes from men, and not even one Scripture reference.)
     
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    No, your post was about the importance of using one translation and I gave the view of of those who did one of the greatest translations of all time. I think their opinion is directly on topic. Your OP had no scripture outside of your signature line, so you set the pattern. Your post was based on your opinion and I gave the opinion of those great men who gave us the amazing and venerable KJT of the scriptures. These men thought that the best way to know the sense of the scriptures in order to obey them was to study a variety of translations.

    Here is your post in case you forgot.

    Do you agree with those great men?
     
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    Okey, lets take a look at these quotes, in light of the example that was sited...........

    Matthew 18:15 (ESV)
    “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.”

    Matthew 18:15 (NAS)
    “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.”

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    1st quote.......
    I disagree: How can comparing this verse in these two translations, profit anybody?
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    2nd quote........
    I disagree: The above example, just as with many others, demonstrates that using diverse translations doesn’t make things more clear:
    In fact it makes Scripture more confusing!
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    3rd quote........
    I strongly disagree with this one: But this is the point that I am making.
    Those who use more than one translation, have indeed set “their judgments at liberty”;
    (Hurting themselves.)

    The Bible has the authority to “correct us”: We do not have the authority to correct it!

    The Bible, needs to be looked upon as God’s Holy Word, that never changes.
    But the New American Standard version, of the Bible seems to be taking “liberties” with God’s Word.
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    Your previous statement is intentionally misleading........
    I have never suggested anybody be limited to “one human translation”.
    (This is why I have talked about the value of using Strongs, etc.)

    What Deacon has pointed out in his thread, is how hurtful it is to use “more than one” version of the Bible, that disagrees with each other.
     
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    The argument that the 1611 translation team and other church leaders (Augustine, ect.) advocated using different translations is not relevant to today's "modern" translations. Had they had the NIV for example, available to them, I doubt they would have made that statement. The "other" translations that they referred to were the Tyndale, Wycliffe, Bishops, Great Bible, ect....which all read "against thee".
     
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    Well, at least we have an answer.

    The brilliant translators who gave us one of the greatest translations ever produced were idiots for suggesting we use various translations.

    I for one hold these men in much higher regard than that. I am sad that those who love their work so much consider them idiots.
     
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    Nice hyperbole.
     
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    May I be so brash as to point out that what is hurtful is being forced to THINK when one is faced with "things that are different", rather than to STUDY out WHY they are different or to ignore the question altogether.

    And the bolded sentence is exactly what you ARE suggesting, despite your protestations to the contrary.
     
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    I doubt very much this would be the case. That is evidenced by the fact that they allowed for the questioning of their word choices via marginal notes.
     
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    Question for stilllearning.

    If, as you claim, 'evil men and seducers are waxing worse and worse' and spiritual knowledge is always declining, how are you smarter than the KJV translators when it comes to the merit of translations?

    I, for one, will obey God's word, as you suggest. But I will do so by studying a variety of translations, for I agree with those great men of 1611 that this is necessary to find out the sense of the scriptures.
     
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