Just saw 911 footage

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  1. Gina B

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    Yeah, I'm a little late on this. But...I just watched a documentary on 911. It's the first time I ever saw anything on it, I'd only read. (in case you're wondering why I don't have tv)
    I don't understand how anyone could watch that and still think we shouldn't have taken the aggressive action we did in seeking Bin Laden but that isn't my question.

    My question is if anyone knows if there's been a count on how many people who WERE NOT in the building died?
    I couldn't believe everyone just stood there looking up at it and didn't run until it started to fall. Maybe too shocked to think straight? But you'd think SOMEONE would have had the presence of mine to say "look people, the tallest buildings around are burning, you might want to start running now."
    It seems the number of people killed from the smoke and debris that rushed down the streets had to be quite a few.

    Also, they didn't fall right for what happened. Even if the supports buckled it wouldn't have imploded and fallen so evenly. It wouldn't have gone completely down that fast unless it was being attacked from the inside, as in bombs going off on different floors or the structure somehow previously weakened significantly.
    The smaller buildings that collapsed didn't even fall so evenly and there was obviously more of a falling out of the structure when they did than with the towers.
    And I hadn't even heard about the other buildings before. Did I just miss it or was there just not much attention given to it in light of the towers and what it meant that they were attacked?

    And to go on and on, lol, what about the plane that wrecked in PA? Did it wreck for real or was it shot down?

    And I heard on the news ONE TIME during the ordeal that a fourth plane ended up being landed and held at the airport in Cleveland Ohio. I remember it clearly because I panicked that it was so close to me, but that's the one and only time I heard anything at all about it. A few others mentioned it so I know I'm not crazy. Perhaps a false report, or did anyone else hear it?

    Has anyone ever analyzed how the towers fell and explained why it looked that way?

    Gina
     
  2. swaimj

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    I don't think anyone thought the buildings would fall until the first one actually fell. That's why the fire dept. continued to carry out rescue operations. However, once the first building fell, the fire dept began to evacuate their personnel and to tell anyone and everyone to leave.

    I know of no evidence that that plane was shot down. There were people on board the plane who were in communication with loved ones who were watching the the events in NY on TV. When they began to piece together the strong possibility that their own plane was intended to be a terrorist bomb, they charged the hi-jackers who apparently crashed the plane. At the same time, the President did give an order that any plane in the air that day which refused to follow commands to land was to be shot down. If memory serves me, that order was given after the PA plane had already crashed.

    Yes. Both Time magazine and Newsweek had extensive, detailed, and well-illustrated articles in the weeks after 9-11 which explained the structure of the WTC and why it came down the way it did. Your local public library is sure to have these in file.
     
  3. Pete

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    I know it wasn't part of question, but I'll throw 2ยข in anyway. Taking out Al Qaeda for the attacks is fair enough. Taking out the Taliban for supporting them, and Saddam for possible links to them is fair enough too. But doing all of the above supposedly out of concern for the people under these regimes..gimme a break. The Taliban & Saddam would still be business as usual if it wasn't for the W.T.C. attack.

    Now I have that off my chest again...

    Maybe a combination of shock and the car crash syndrome. Something like that happens and everyone just stands and watches. Also after the towers survived the initial impacts a lot of people would have probably been thinking they would have stayed up.

    The tower falls did look a bit clinical, however these links explain how it happened: LINK, LINK

    I just read a site that suggested something else, but even I am not cynical enough to buy their line so won't advertise [​IMG]

    The other buildings (eg W.T.C. 7) were mentioned on TV and in papers down this way now and then, however most of the focus was on the towers.

    As swaimj said, the passengers on that plane heard of the events at the W.T.C. and took action. There is a book called "Lets Roll" on the topic in Christian bookshop.

    Between the 4 planes crashing and all other planes being grounded, anything in the air was being reported on news as another possible attack.

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  4. Wisdom Seeker

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    Gina as I understand it, the heat was so intense because of the jet fuel being ignited, that the steel supporters lost their integrity. That's why the building fell the way it did. Furthermore, Osama Bin Ladin knew this would happen and that is why it was attacked in this way.

    I saw a documentary that followed the NYFD during the attack. It was very powerful. It was done by two French brothers who happened to be doing a documentary on the Fire Department. They just happened to be at the right place at the right time to film this footage.

    I don't know how many people died on the outside by falling debris. It was shocking to see them staring up instead of moving. I think they were dumstruck. I think when ever anything surreal happens people generally react this way.
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Gina: "Also, they didn't fall right for what happened.
    Even if the supports buckled it wouldn't have
    imploded and fallen so evenly. It wouldn't have
    gone completely down that fast unless it was being
    attacked from the inside, as in bombs going off
    on different floors or the structure somehow
    previously weakened significantly."

    Your statement is untrue. The towers collapsed
    exactly consistant with being rammed near the
    top. The collapse was from the point of impact
    going down. Had structures been weakened before
    the plane impact or real-time (during the fire),
    the collapse would have run from the bottom up.

    Gina: "Has anyone ever analyzed how the towers fell
    and explained why it looked that way?"

    Yes. The towers collapsed due to the
    fuel laden planes which crashed into them.
     
  6. Johnv

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    Has anyone ever analyzed how the towers fell and explained why it looked that way?

    Only in immense detail. As previously stated, the towers lost their integrity due to the intense heat generated by the burning jet fuel. Additionally, the sheer force of a fully laden jet hitting the buildings severely compromised the fire retardent coating that covers the steel structure. But in addition, the design of these buildings allowed the weight of the buildings to be carried by the outer walls of the building, instead of a central core. It still had a core, but the center was considerablly smaller in size thanks to the external load-bearing capacity. This allowed the amount of floor space to be considerably greater, making the building more user friendly.

    When the buildings were hit, they compromised the outer load bering capacity of the towers. But that wasn't all:

    Even with parts of the outer wall missing, the weight was easily redistributed via the floor system of steel panels. However, over time, the floors began to fail, one by one, due to the longterm intense heat. But in addition to that:

    The shock of the planes made the fire retardent coating on the steel useless. But that's not all:

    The heat from the burning fuel caused a chemical change in the steel, thus compromising their intergrity. But it wasn't just the temperature of the fire, it was also the heat.

    The buildings were designed to withstand an accidental impact from a plan. But these planes were fully laden with fuel, something that would not occur in an accident. There is no tecnnology that would have prevented the buildings from falling after the impact.

    As to why the buildings fell in a straight line, rather than fall over, the outer supports of the building remained unhit by the impact. When the structure gave way, it did in a very specific pattern which continued to distribute the weight evenly throughout the building (even when collapsing, the building was distributing weight they way it was designed to).

    We tend not to think of praising God in this situation, but had Yamasaki not designed the buildings to distribute weight so evenly, they would have fallen over, resulting in thousands of additional deaths. Let's give thanks to God for that fact.
     
  7. Popeye

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    Good post JohnV. [​IMG]
     

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