Herc posted on another topic some thoughts about salvation. Sounding a little accusatory. So I thought since Herc wants to discuss that topic, perhaps entering into it with his post with my responses. You are jumping to conclusions friend. It is good that Job had this impression of God, but under Grace, because of the Christ's atonement for Sins, God has granted to man life through faith, man's faith in God. You'll notice that Job is describing what he has done, how he has lived his life and yet he is guilty in that he sees God as carrying out a sentence upon him. Job did not know that the yet to come Messiah was going to atone for his sins, and that by having faith in God as he did He has life eternal. If he did know it his statement would certainly have been different. How is it that one who is born in "total depravity" can be "in the will of God from before the foundation of the world"? If that's your answer, I agree. Calvinism clearly states that man is born totally depraved, and you say that man must be in the will of God from before the foundation of the world in order to go to heaven. Real screwed up doctrine you have! Have you ever seen me post that man can save himself by any means whatever? I have never doubted, let alone posted anything contrary to God's Omniscience. Well I guess then you can scratch out of your bible, "for by grace are ye saved through faith, and not of yourselves it is the Gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast". That Scripture declares that Man does have a part in his salvation! Do you suppose Paul was just foolin' around? Man has to have faith in God for God to save him. NO, God does not give man the faith, because God has no faith to give to man. You must have been havin' a "joy rush" when you wrote this last thought, cause it don't make sense!