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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JesusFan, Apr 26, 2011.
Were these being Angels, wicked males or?
Good morning JesusFan
Jesus made it clear in the Gospels, that these could not have been angels:
Angels can’t reproduce.
But these “son’s of God”, is talking about some of “God’s people”, who didn’t consider God’s wishes when they looked for a wife, but only their own wishes............
“That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.”
This the first recorded incident , of God’s people yoking up with unbelievers.
God’s people have never been permitted to marry “whoever they chose”.
And those who do, always regret it.
IF the Angels though fell from heaven and were in the Flesh so to speak of humans, sort of an "angelic" possession...
Couldn't they be part of producing offspring that way?
Nowhere does it say that. It DOES say that there is no marrying in Heaven.
One view I've heard is that the descendants of the godly line of Seth intermarried with the ungodly line of Cain.
Something along this line makes the most sense to me.
The only angel that I have found in the Bible that fell, was Satan(& the 1/3 of the angels that followed him), but they kept their spiritual form.
The idea of these “sons of God” being angels, just doesn't seem to be Biblical.
Your right, the Bible does say that there is no marrying in heaven.
Therefore angels don’t reproduce.
Because if they did, you would have to have angel families: with angel moms and dads and little angel babies.
Whether this was godly people intermarrying with ungodly people or whether this was a demonic attempt to procreate ..... (and I have heard persuasive defenses of both from extremely learned people)....
...the truth of the matter is that Satan was doing his best to corrupt the "seed of the woman". He isn't omnipotent. He only knows what God allows him to know.
God had told him early on that He would "put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and hers; you will strike at his heel and he will crush your head". Satan had no idea just exactly what God was talking about here. He, at the time, had no clue of Mary and her baby, Jesus.
Whatever this was - it was Satan's attempt to corrupt the "seed of the woman". Either literally or spiritually.
I've heard so many stories about these sons of God. From them being angles and producing offspring called the Nephilem, or giants. To them actually being alien beings from another world. LOL.
Personally I don't believe that spirits have a reproductive system. No need for those things because none of them are female any way. I've never read of a single angle with creative powers and it definitly takes at the very least a procreation ability to have an offspring. It takes physcial matter. I've read of angles that appear as a man but never as a woman. And while appearing may sound physcial it doesn't have to be.
I don't have an answer for these sons of God because there isn't enough written about them to know much about them. Mans speculation is almost always wrong anyway.
True, but science has given the fact there is no inter-species breeding.
Jude 1: 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Not all of the 1/3 of Satans angels are currently reserved in chains, so who are these Angels that kept not their first estate.
Genesis 6: 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Sons of God, this must be defined to understand it. It doesn't say sons of the Godly line of Seth nor Does it say the line of Seth. It says the sons of God.
Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Here Satan is grouped with the sons of God presenting themselves before the Lord.
Again in Job 2: 1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
The sons of God and satan an angel is yet again seen. So if we see the angels refered to in Job as sons of God then too the terminology the same in Genesis.
God allowed the angels to take on the form of man. Understand 2 Corinthians 11: 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Satan transformed into an angel of light, so the angels could have taken on the form of man and the offspring of the angels and daughters of men would be the nephalim (giants) of that day. I was taught at one point that the nephalims were sterile, they could not reproduce haven't found anything in scripture to back it up. That would end the line of the saviour had the satanic plan worked but God foreknew the plan and knew of the 8.
Gabriel Elijah started a thread on this a couple months back. Everything was dealt with pretty much there from all vantage points if you want to find it. I will try when I have more time.
The Bible says that resurrected people don't marry in Heaven, and compares them to angels in this regard. Therefore it is a good assumption that angels don't reproduce in HEAVEN. Nothing is said about it while on EARTH.
Here's the verses:
Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
Mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Angels can take the form of men. They can eat food and exhibit other human traits. I presume demons can do so as well. It wouldn't be a stretch to speculate that they could procreate.
BTW, I'm not advocating the demon seed theory, I'm just trying to keep the argument Biblical.
Looked it up for you Webdog....hope you don't mind.
My vote is for angels (whether fallen or when they fell) any takers who disagree-lol---I know-- I know web—but I couldn’t resist!
I doubt if science would consider angels as a species. :tongue3:
Angels neither marry nor are given in marriage.
That precludes procreation. As an act of sexual intercourse apart from marriage is sin.. at least that is what God says. God created male and female for the purpose of procreation.
However in the resurrection we shall be like the angels 'are'.. implying 1 of 2 things.
Either they do not have the specific anatomy of gender
They were not created to reproduce.
But in either case, the point is clear... they do not reproduce.
And since God set boundaries on reproduction (all creature that can reproduce do so ONLY after their own kind) that again excludes angel copulating with males or females to produce demi-gods (super human creatures).
Remember also that the giants didn't show up after the sons of God and daughters of men come together, but were already there.
And one more point.. it is not just angels that are called son's of God, but also godly men in scripture as well. (John 1:12 is an example off the top of my head - "He gave them power to be called the sons of God.." and all through the NT we are stated as such.
Thus the question remains.. where did calling believers, sons of God, come from if it only applied to angels?
As the oldest written manuscript we can know of with the book of Job the term for Angels was sons of God, Moses wrote Genesis over 400 years later and again we see the terminology of sons of God in the Noahic time. It would appear a phrase of that time to refer to angelic beings. Then the angels which kept not their first estate are in chains, not all of Satans angels are in chains so why just these? What was the first estate that they didn't keep? It in't the fall or even satan and his angels would all be in chains, so to what does it refer if not the Genesis record in Noah's time?