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  1. Rufus_1611

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    A leading evangelical pastor has admitted to purchasing methamphetamine and paying for massage services from a sodomite prostitute. To this point no charges have been filed.
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    A male republican legislator has been caught sending sexually explicit instant messages to male pages and has been accused of having sexual relations with two of these individuals, one of which was 16 years old. While investigations are under way, no charges have yet been filed.

    Rep. Mark Foley quits in disgrace

    Female teachers, at an alarming rate, are being arrested and convicted of having relations with their minor students. These teachers are often given probation, or house arrest and rarely receive jail time.

    Now it's the principal's wife having sex

    A Democrat community leader who faced a maximum sentence of 81 years in jail for child exploitation was given a 10 month sentence.

    Court shocker: 10 months for kiddie porn producer

    A fundamental Baptist preacher was convicted of tax violations relative to his amusement park in Florida and withdrawing money from his account. He was found guilty and may face a maximum of 288 years in jail.

    'Dr. Dino' guilty on all counts

    Sentencing for the Baptist preacher will be held in January. In light of the fact that he did not engage in sodomy, use drugs, exploit a minor, or have sex with his students, do you believe that his sentence should be commensurate with what the other perpetrators have received (or are likely to receive) or should he receive close to 288 years in jail for his tax crimes?
     
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    Apples and oranges.

    Why don't we wait and see if he is found guilty and, if so, what the penalty actually would be.?
     
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    He's been found guilty. Sentencing is in January. How many years do you feel he should get?
     
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    288 :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Why does that not surprise me? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Kent Hovind has already been found guilty and he faces an outside possiblity of 288 years as stated..

    I don't know what considerations went into the other sentencings, but tax evasion is traditionally harshly punished, not the least to scare others into compliance.
     
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    Not having kept up with this story, I could not say whether 288 years would be appropriate. It does appear there were multiple tax violations -- was he a tax protester? And it is not illegal to withdraw money from his account -- was that an accurate description of the charge?

    I assume he continues to proclaim innocence rather than remorse?
     
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    Yeah... it is much more egregious to attempt to keep big gov't from confiscating money than it is to molest children or sell drugs.
     
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    From the little I've read, Hovind seems to have been influenced by tax protest groups/teachers. I actually believe they are legally correct on a great number of their issues... but they'll never win in the unjust, liberal judiciary that has developed since the 1920's.
     
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    I believe the gov't would consider him to be a tax protestor. I believe Hovind would consider himself to be a minister of God and not a tax collector. The withdrawing money from his account is called structuring or smurfing. The government requires us to complete a form any time we withdraw $10,000 or more in cash from our accounts. The Hovind's withdrew less than $10,000 on multiple occasions but the gov't accused and the court found the Hovind's guilty of withdrawing in increments designed to avoid the reporting requirement.
     
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    From what I've read about Hovind, he is more of a common thief than a tax protestor.
     
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    Great, so you suppose he should be sentenced the equivalent term of a common thief?

    Here's a data thief that will spend 2+ years in jail -->http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/12/18/dea_data_thief_sentenced/

    How 'bout an idenity thief that got 9 years in jail --> http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4780516

    Here's a yarn thief that got a year in jail --> http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/ind...e=UPI-1-20060927-02290500-bc-us-yarnthief.xml

    Here's an underwear thief that got one year in jail' -->http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/040906UnderwearThief.html

    So what do you think? Jail time equivalent to a common thief of say 1 to 9 years or you sticking with 288?
     
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    I didn't say that at all.

    If your central point is that justice is unevenly administered based on income, ethnicity and geography as well as other possible factors, I'll agree.

    If your point is that they should be lenient on Hovind because he is supposedly a minister or a legitimate tax protestor, I don't buy it.

    He'll get nowhere near 288 years. Most likely he'll be on the street in less than 5 years.
     
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    You desire that he be thought of as nothing more than a common thief but you do not desire that the penalties afforded to a common thief be applied to him?

    Not my central point but I agree with your statement. I would add religious preference to your list as well as, who is the victim? Meaning, if a perpetrator harms a child then he or she gets a lite sentence, whereas the perpetrator that stands against the gov't gets a much greater sentence.

    I think the potential penalty of placing this pastor in jail for approximately 14 times more than the rest of his estimated life expectancy is egregious. He is not a threat to the community and has harmed no one.

    I think there are teachers, priests and others that are attacking our children at an alarming clip and they get pats on the hands. The examples are multitude but here's a pedophile priest that victimized 19 children and got 8 months in jail http://cbs2.com/pauldandridge/local_blogentry_127134005.html. Seems like recking the lives of 19 children would deserve a penalty closer to 288 years.

    Further, I am wondering if the fact that he is a KJV Only fundamentalist with fringe ideas about taxation, NWO etc., has anything to do with how so many Christians are anxious to see him do hard time.

    I pray that you are right.
     
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    Since my earlier post I did surf on his name and found out this man believes himself to be above the law. Denying before men Christ's words in Matthew 22:21 and Luke 20:22.

    He has displayed that his heart is among his treasures -- Matthew 6:21 and Luke 12:34.

    Imagine signing away his citizenship just to amass wealth. Frankly, we should have accepted that and created a real man without a country. At least 288 years will keep him in this country.

    Thank you for bringing this criminal's activities to my attention. His thievery certainly is not 'common!' And, I'm a KJV supporter at a Fundamental Baptist church. He needs to repent and join us.
     
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    He did not sign away his citizenship.

    He has taken a stand on what he feels is right. You disagree and the court disagreed and found him guilty. His guilt is not the topic but rather the severity of the punishment. He is set to receive as much as 288 years in prison. Is this a just punishment for his crimes compared to the punishments our society dishes out to others? How many years do you believe he should get?
     
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    The answer to the question is easy. The reason it does not surprise you is that your mindset is in the standards of the world. All those you just gave examples are worldly leaders. This guy is a leader of the Christian church, spreading the Gospel. No comparison. 288 years. Amen to Carpro.
     
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    Am I to understand that you are saying since he's a leader of the Christian church spreading the Gospel, his sentence should be harsh?
     
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    Not for those reasons -- for the crimes for which he was convicted of committing.
     
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    Two sources, including Wikipedia, state that he did. What is your citation for stating he did not?

    He has taken money under our system of government then not complied with its laws. That is not right under any circumstances.

    His guilt sets the stage for his punishment. The punishment should be harsh. 288 sounds as though we will be protected from him for a sufficient amount of time. You and I both know it will not be that long.
     

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