Justification Differences between Catholics and Protestants

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  1. The American Dream

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    The Roman catholic view of Justification and the Protestant view is a strong dividing line between being Roman Catholic and being Protestant.

    “Justification is a judicial act of God, in which He declares, on the basis of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, that all the claims of the law are satisfied with respect to the sinner. It is unique in the application of the work of redemption in that it is a judicial act of God, a declaration respecting the sinner, and not an act or process of renewal, such as regeneration, conversion, and sanctification. While it has respect to the sinner, it does not change his inner life. It does not affect his condition, but his state, and in that respect differs from all the other principal parts of the order of salvation. It involves the forgiveness of sins, and restoration to divine favor.” Louis Berkhof

    Justification is by faith alone.

    "The Roman Catholic view of justification [is that] God declares a person to be just when justice (or righteousness) inheres in the person. The person, under divine analysis or scrutiny, is found to be just. God justifies the just. ...By stark and radical contrast the Reformation view of justification is that God declares a person just based upon something [external to them], something not inherent in the person: the imputed righteousness of Christ."

    R. C. Sproul

    Justification is the process of transforming us from what we were: dead in sin, to what we will be: Like Christ. Justification does not make us good; it imparts Christ’s goodness to us.

    I now believe that the Protestant doctrine of Justification which is that we are eternally secure in Christ because we have contributed nothing towards our redemption is biblically sound and correct. The beauty and awesomeness of this doctrine is that we are secured and saved by our faith alone. We do good works because we are in Christ but we can not save ourselves through works as Roman Catholicism teaches.

    II Cor. 5: 21

    For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

    God counts the people He has called as righteous by means of their faith and not their works. This does not mean the elect are counted righteous on the basis of their faith. Since faith is itself a gift from God, no one can boast of this as if he has done anything to merit it.

    Eph. 2: 8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

    Christians are counted righteous on the basis of Christ’s righteousness which has been applied to us through the vehicle of faith.

    Rom. 3: 21-24 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all] who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

    Paul uses a legal term to explain how and why the elect are justified. The Greek word to justify is diakioun. Whenever a Greek verb ends in –oun, it means to treat someone as something. It never means to make someone something. When we stand before God, as we all will some day, we need to recognize that in us, there is nothing which makes us worthy of God’s grace; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

    We are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. God treats us as righteous because of what Jesus did on the Cross.

    Heb. 9: 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

    When we stand before God, as we all will some day, we need to recognize that in us, there is nothing which makes us worthy of God’s grace; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

    We are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. God treats us as righteous because of what Jesus did on the Cross.

    The beauty and awesomeness of the Protestant doctrine of Justification is that we are eternally secure in Christ because we have contributed nothing towards our redemption.

    I am a Protestant today because I believe completely in the Protestant teaching of Justification.

    God counts the people He has called as righteous by means of their faith and not their works. This does not mean the elect are counted righteous on the basis of their faith. Since faith is itself a gift from God, no one can boast of this as if he has done anything to merit it.

    Eph. 2: 8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

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    I don't hold to either the Protestant view or the RCC view.
     
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    Rebel,

    I'm curious. How do you believe we are justified?
     
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    I believe we are justified by faith, but my views are closer to the Anabaptists/Mennonites. I don't believe in forensic justification or imputed righteousness. As some other Reformation doctrines, this is based in legal thought patterns.
     
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    You don't believe in the imputation of righteousness via Jesus Christ???
     
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    No. That is a legal concept of justification.
     
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    No, that is Pauline theology 101!
     
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    How and when does a sinner get saved then?
    By what basis?
     
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    I already answered that.

    Both the Protestant and RC views are wrong, in my opinion.
     
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    If this is the 'American dream', then mine also is the American dream.

    America, be warned, It's not Islam or Russia you should be weary of but them RCs from south, west and east of you!

    ... and o yes, FROM AMONG YOU!
     
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    Tony Palmer, the Pope and Kenneth Copeland claim that the "protestant reformation" is dead - since some Lutherans agree with the RCC now on the subject of justification and the words "by faith alone"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtXiOzp43Yw
     
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    Just to be clear that quote of yours is from the article I posted, not my words but I agree with it.
     
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    Kind of a paradox. Not only do they say by faith alone, they believe that faith is internal to each man or woman, and that the faith that brings about justification is within us. Justification is an external act of God through Jesus Christ. Faith, if it was part of justification (it is part of salvation) is also a gift of God.
     
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    Then you are denying Scripture:

    Romans 4:1-6
    1. What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
    2. For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
    3. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    4. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
    5. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
    6. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


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    No, I am denying your and others' interpretation of it according to medieval and legal standards.
     
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    The Scripture I presented is very clear in its teaching. You are simply denying Scripture. You make a lot of foolish assertions but present no Scripture to support those assertions. No one has appointed you judge and jury of what Scripture teaches.

    I would remind you of another lesson from Scripture which applies very well to you.

    Proverbs 14:12. There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

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