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no one denies it was ordained before the world began. What is denies is that ordination EQUALS fulfillment before the world began OR "I have purposed it, I WILL do it" NOT "I have purposed it, I HAVE DONE it" like your false theology teaches.

 

No one denies that either. What is denied is PURPOSE equals FULFILLMENT whether it is in God's mind or in time. In time God's purpose is not fulfilled until it is fulfilled. In God's mind it is not fulfilled but simply perceived AS fulfilled and there is a big differnce between "IS" fulfilled and "AS" fulfilled and God Himself makes that distinction when he says "I have purposed it, I WILL do it" rather than "I HAVE done it."

You are not only perverting God's Word but God's Person in that you are making ACTUAL FULFILLMENT of God's Purpose FACTUAL WITHIN HIS BEING thus teaching the false doctrine of PANTHESISM which does not separate the Creator from Creation. You don't understand what I am saying and probably never will because if you did you would renounce such absolute heresy and nonsense.

 

Your above statement is self contradictory. You say the elect are

You follow that by the statement:

So you say they are lost and saved at the same time. That is a strange concept! However, both statements are contrary to Scripture:

Romans 3:21-26
21. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

We are told in the above Scripture that God justifies those who believe in Jesus Christ.

Now if you want to argue that a person can believe before he exists in time then do so. Or if you want to argue that the elect exist eternally, as does God, then do so.

In either case your doctrine is false, nonsensical, and contrary to Scripture, as shown in the above passage!

 

Why do you respond to objections the same way cults do and the same way Pentecostals do? When they cannot provide a rational Bible based response they simply make a personal attack.

 

Because he knows the stuff he is posting is untrue and nonsensical. He is simply jerking people around with his continual repetition of the same untruths.

He cannot refute the initial passage that I posted so he questions my salvation. Just what is his purpose on this Forum?

 

The above verbiage creates the impression that you got lost in its construction, much like a dog chasing its tail!

 

And a dog chasing its tail knows the truth!

 

If you can respond civilly to the two passages of Scripture I posted then perhaps you will be closer to the truth. At present you have no idea what the truth is if you believe the nonsense you, not Scripture, are spouting!

 

You wasting your time with SBM as he lives in his own little bubble and he confuses HIS INTERPRETATIONS with God's Word.

 

You responded by saying I reject the truth and questioning my salvation. You said nothing in regard to the Scripture I posted!

 

Is sbm what they call a "troll"? I thought that was one of those little men who lived under a bridge!

 

I wouldn't call him a troll but I would say that he is a heretic and no amount of Biblical evidence will turn him from his errors not matter how clear it is or how convincing it is to any normal reasonable mind.