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Featured Justified while Ungodly !

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Feb 13, 2012.

  1. DaChaser1

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    Think that some of us here are confusing the difference between those whom God has elected to be saved, and the time that is actually occuring, when born again at moment received jesus Christ!

    God places us into the Body, knows anddtermined our salvation event, but still has to be actualized by receiving Christ by faith!
     
  2. billwald

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    What does "justified" mean?

    Saved?

    Regenerated?

    Converted?

    All of the above?

    Some of the above?
     
  3. The Biblicist

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    Acquitted of all charges placed against them - removed out from under condemnation - given the verdict "not guilty" - Freed from condemnation
     
  4. DaChaser1

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    Being restored back to a spiritual relationship with God!
     
  5. savedbymercy

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    I know its a Lie. Rom 5:10

    10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
     
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    Make up your mind ! You know what scripture says James 1:8

    A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
     
  7. The Biblicist

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    Perhaps I should have asked you "HOW" were we reconciled to God by the cross? Provisionally in keeping with God's elective purpose or actually in regard to our own person in time and space? I admit the former while we were yet enemies, ungodly, children of wrath but deny the latter until elective faith in Christ.
     
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    No, not for the Elect, those Terms merely describe their sinfulness by Nature, but the Law and its Demands have been delt with effectively on their behalf by the Cross of Christ !
     
  9. DaChaser1

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    Were we reconciled BEFORE we had actually been saved by God in Christ once we had received jesus by faith or not?

    When did the Lord see us as 'friends" before or after faith placed in jesus?
     
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    The Elect were Reconciled to God by Christ's Death, before they are actually saved experimentially, or converted, but their conversion is assured by His Life Rom 5:10

    10 For if, when we[The Elect] were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,

    much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
     
  11. DaChaser1

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    So we were already reconciled back to God, before we had placed faith in jesus and were saved?

    Were ALL reconciled back to God, then have to decide to accept Christ or not?

    Are those reconciled saved regardly of placing faith in Christ or not?
     
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  12. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    GE:

    The title of this thread is wrong. God never justified anyone "WHILE ungodly".
    "God justifies the ungodly".

    Wrote John Owen,
    "I have somewhat else to do than to cast away any part of the small remainder of my life in that kind of controversial writings which good men bewail, and wise men deride." ('Justification by Faith')

    I say the same!
     
  13. savedbymercy

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    Maybe the god you serve does not. However the God of scripture does. Rom 4:5

    5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    They are reconciled to God while they are ungodly enemies ! Rom 5:10

    10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,

    Reconciled and Justified are the same !
     
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    Rom 5:10

    10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,

    You just cannot believe it can you ?
     
  15. DaChaser1

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    Justification occurs at moment of salvation by placing faith in Christ, same time we are thus reconciled back to god also!

    God CANNOT reconcile with sinner until he becomes becomes a saint!
     
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    More Lies against the Truth. Scripture says plainly Rom 5:10

    10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,

    Paul says they were reconciled enemies ! Thats Grace !
     
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    Folks those who Teach that anyone Christ died for is condemned by God's Law and Justice, they are preaching a False Gospel that Deny's the Merits of Christ's Death and they deny the Gospel of Justification by the Grace of God. Paul writes Rom 3:24

    24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Thats it, Freely Justified by His Grace, not by one's Faith, even though that shall come later, because it is written "The Just shall live by Faith", however, before they come to experiential faith or conversion, They have before a Holy God, been freely Justified by His Grace through or by means of the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus their Surety. This redemption also provides them freely by Grace, the forgiveness of their sins, those sins that were imputed to Christ their Surety Eph 1:7

    7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    To teach that any person comes into this world, having had Christ's blood shed for them, that they are condemned is lying, they have no condemnation from God, none whatsoever !

    It is through the redeeming work of Christ that Justification before God is accomplished, nothing else. Not ones Faith, or Conversion, or New Birth or repentance, none of that, but solely the Work of Christ.Christ's Death was the ransom price paid to God in all His Holiness, Righteousness and Justice, Christ's Death has fully paid the price for those Christ died instead of , of what God's Law demanded. It demanded a curse, and so Gal 3:13

    13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    I am warning you, if Christ's Gospel and the accomplishments of His Death for those He died for, is being presented in a way that those Christ died for are at anytime condemned by God's Law and Justice, they are preaching a False Christ and a False Gospel !
     
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    Go back and learn how to read! Look at the present tense "BEING" not "HAVING BEEN"! No one but those condemned need to be saved, need to be justified! If they were never condemned they would never need Christ!

    Your teaching is based on inability to properly read and interpret and harmonize scriptures!

    Your warnings are worthless! Those who were NEVER under condemnation will NEVER be lost and NEVER need to be justified, saved or glorified.

    You are guilty of perverting the scriptures. You cannot take "justified" out of Romans 8:30 and separate it from "called" and "glorified" but that is exactly the mentality of your false doctrine.
     
  19. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    GE:

    The title of this thread is wrong. God never justified anyone "WHILE ungodly".
    "God justifies the ungodly".



    GE:

    SBM, Do you really, or do you not WANT to understand what I said?

    I am surprised at you! I thought if one person would understand it would be you.

    It is really sorry. I feel hurt; and I don't say it with sarcasm!

    Does everybody hate one thing, that precious rarity in Christiandom, AGREEMENT?!

    God help us!

     
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  20. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    No; saint can't become saint until sinner reconciled to God.
     
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