KEEPING G THE LAW -is not an OPTION!

You dont have to keep those laws anymore, just the ten commandments.

Claudia </font>[/QUOTE]On this I will say, On what authority? James says:

I don't find anything here about elevating the "Big Ten" over the rest of it. As I have previously posted, "The Law", a NT synonym in every instance, for the whole 'Mosaic code', is an undivisible, unified whole. This would seem to be consistent with Jesus words in Matt. 5:17- 20, where He says,

Did you get that? "One of the least of these Commandments"? Nothing about chopping them up and excising the "Big Ten" from the rest, dropping the remaining 600 or so, that I see.

You can't have it both ways, for Jesus never said it both ways, nor did He 'command', or even suggest both ways, that I see.

As to the Law, I'm a Gentile, not a Jew. As one apart from it, I never had it in the first place. I couldn't "keep it", if I would; as a Christian, 'not under the Law but under grace', I wouldn't "keep it", if I could.

The only thing at the end of the Law was death, for failure. To follow up on the allegory of Galatians 4, for what possible reason would I want to dwell out in the desert with Hagar, as opposed to living in the tents with Sarah? Why would I want to be left out to die, as Ishmael, instead of inheriting all, as Isaac? As my own nephew is wont to say,

"Ah 'on't get it!!"

Nor do I!

In His grace,
Ed </font>[/QUOTE]OKAY ED, I can see that Im-a-gonna have to Edu-macate you on this!


Compare below Moses' Law vs.
God's Ten Commandment Law

MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's 10 Commandment law, but they are very different.
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8. That there are two laws is made crystal clear in the following verses. Verse 10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:


"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11

Special Note: Please note that God's law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4 Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses' law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law and Moses' law.


Moses Law

Called "the law of Moses"
LUKE 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord.


10 Commandments

Called "the Law of the Lord"
ISA. 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.


Moses Law
Called "Law contained in ordinances"

EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.


10 Commandments
Called "the Royal law"

JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:


Moses Law
Written by Moses in a book

2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.


10 Commandments
Written by God on stone

EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.


Moses Law
Placed in the side of the ark

DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


10 Commandments
Placed inside the ark

EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:


Moses Law
Ended at the cross

EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.


10 Commandments
Will stand forever

LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.


Moses Law
Added because of sin

GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


10 Commandments
Points out sin

ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Moses Law
Contrary to us, against us

COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.


10 Commandments
Not grevious

1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Moses Law
Judges no man

COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


10 Commandments
Judges all men

JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


Moses Law
Carnal

HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


10 Commandments
Spiritual

ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


Moses Law
Made nothing perfect

HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

10 Commandments
Perfect

PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

 

I dont know God can make it any clearer. The reason we shouldnt sin is because we are saints, and sin is contrary to who we are.

</font>[/QUOTE]Mike,

Who we are?

Who are we, really? Or who are we supposed to be?

The entire purpose of being a Christ-ian is that we are supposed to be representatives of Christ and of the Father to the world.

Just as the whole purpose Jesus Christ came to earth was to "show us the Father"...


Look at the old testament about this and the purpose for which God's people were even there. They were supposed to be keeping the Law of God to make the the heathen in the surrounding nations realize God's ways were the right ways that would bring happiness and peace and prosperity to them:

Deuteronomy 4:
5: Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6: Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

Then now look at the same thing in the new testament:

Mt:5:16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Remember that we the church are supposed to be a "City on the Hill"

Matthew 5:
13: Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14: Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15: Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.


THAT is who we are, or who we are SUPPOSED to be.

I think that the lack of realization of this fact is what leads people to have this idea that keeping the Law doesnt really matter, and they see it more like "ok what do I have to do to be saved? what is the minimum requirement?"

Or else they think they should do the law out of love for God but that it is some sort of an "option" as to whether or not they really have to.


It keeping the Law then an OPTION??

Can we pray "Thy Kingdom come, THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH as it is in heaven" yet continue to live as if God and reflecting His character and His love and His ways (meaning the commandments) to the world doesnt matter or is an option?

Its all about HIM, not us!

Can we not care about that? and then expect to be in heaven???

When the Bible says Jesus will say to some, "Depart from Me, I never knew you, you that work lawlessness"...

Doesnt it seem to you thats why He says He never KNeW them? In the Bible to KNOW someone is to be intimately aquainted with them like in a MARRIAGE.

If you take on the very name of Christ-ian, you are then MARRIED to God, and are supposed to be AT ONE with Him in a relationship. You are supposed to live for one purpose, together. In this case to give glory to God and to reflect His ways to everyone on the earth around you.

Now look again, how can we evn CLAIM to know God if we dont keep His commandments? and if we dont know God we cannot expect to be saved:

1Jn:2:3: And hereby we do know that we KNOW him, if we keep his commandments.


1Jn:3:24: And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I KNOW him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn:3:6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


WHO will be unashamed at His coming?

1Jn:2:28: And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.


Not saying we wont continually come short and fall and fail.. we will. But our heart is supposed to be in the right place and I believe it MATTERS as far as our salvation goes. We cant not care about God's interests and still be saved.

Claudia

[ May 08, 2006, 07:19 AM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]

 

Anyway it is ONLY those who ABIDE IN HIM, and stop their sinning (breaking the Law) that are going to be unashamed at His coming.

1Jn:3:6: Whosoever ABIDETH in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither KNOWN him.


1Jn:2:28: And now, little children, ABIDE in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Everyone else is going to be praying for the rocks to fall on them and hide them from the face of the Lamb. Because they dont KNOW GOD and they dont have the same aims and purposes as God... as did Jesus when His "meat and drink" was to do the will of His Father and to "show us the Father".

Rv:6:16: And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
17: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

Come to think of it, by the way, it is BECAUSE the foolish virgins in the wise and foolish virgins parable... are NOT giving off any light to the world with their lamps that are SUPPOSED to be lighting the way for the marriage supper... that Jesus shuts the door in their face and says "depart from Me I never knew you".