KEEPING THE LAW is not an OPTION - pt.2

thought i would start a pt.2 of this discussion - seems i wanted to say more in response to SMM and brobob i believe...

SMM said "And, if breaking them is sin... "

it is sin according to 1John 3:4

i like anecdotes - so here's another one:

a boy and his father are camping out in the forest - at some point in time they decide to chase after eachother - the boy is in the lead - but ends up tripping over a tree root and a branch inserts itself into the boys neck - piercing the juggular vein - blood is everywhere - the father rushes his son to the emergancy room - the doctor knows immediately what to do and how to go about it. a minute later during the operation - the boy lifts his index finger and says 'hey - i've got a sliver in my finger - it hurts alot! can you take it out! please!' but the doctor pushes aside the little boy's finger and focuses on the bleeding juggular vein. and now because the doctor has focused on the vein - the little boy is now alive and well.

we as christians are the little boy - the juggular vein is the state of our soul. we're going to die one day - sooner or later. that is the most important thing. the little sliver - it could represent the little things in life - marriage, broken down car, broken foot etc. or it could represent the law of God that doesn't focus on morals. the juggular vein - also could represent the moral laws.

i think God's going to focus more on the state of our soul and whether or not we're righteously moral rather then if we're mixing materials in our clothing.

all the ten commandments - that is the moral law. no?

 

it doesn't say that... haha.

it says "the little sliver - it could represent the little things in life - marriage, broken down car, broken foot etc. or it could represent the law of God that doesn't focus on morals. the juggular vein - also could represent the moral laws."

the little sliver - i think could represent those laws that God has put out there that aren't moral laws...

make more sense?

 

haha. 4 is ripe.

yah. im most like that too. haha. and im probably one of the most accident prone people this side of SWflorida... haha.

ok that's way off topic.

 

look at it this way - once God is done with the juggular vein - is he just going to ignore the sliver in the finger? nah. he knows its there and He'll eventually get there - on his timing.

 

although you've probably pointed this out to him...

i like how peter (was it peter?) who asked the Lord how many times he was supposed to fogive his friends and that. and the Lord responded with "77 times 7" in other words... everytime. alot. etc.

i used to think like that... until my mom pointed that verse out to me...

although i think its a different kind of forgiveness.

just like there's different kinds of repentance.
-there's vertical repentence
-and there's horizontal repentance

vertical obviously being towards God (which is what we should ultimately be doing.
horizontal being towards man.

all forgiveness towards man is this: one side apologizing and the other side accepting that apology. no?

people tend to go into making it complicated.

 

YAY! i like that color. praise the Lord for the color blue... i wake up in the morning and look at the lid of this holding cell and i just love the blue sky...

i will read it tonight...

 

i've skimmed over the sections - will read it over more in depth tonight.

i notice you've said "(That remnant was the church, not all of Israel!)"

which to me sounds like you're saying that Israel is the church...?

when the bible says Israel... it means Israel - no getting around that.

romans 11:2 "God hath not cast awy his people which he foreknew. wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed they prophets, and igged down thine altars; and i am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace..."

v.11 "I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealosy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?"

v.25 "for i would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written there shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when i shall take away their sins."

 

i agree with those verses. although i dont fully understand what they mean - i'll get my mom to ask the messianic church we go to on saturdays (i dont go now cause im in a different city) - just to get a jewish perspective on it.

the gentiles are the wild branches - agreed? (romans 11:17 "thou, being a wild olive tree")
the jews are the natural branches - agreed? (romans 11:21 "for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee." (wild branches))

we are different physically - but spiritually i believe we are different as well. i dont know a whole lot on this subject - all i know is that the church has not replaced Israel (that would be replacement theology - which is not biblical)

God aint done with Israel.