Keith Ellison refuses to take oath on the Bible, but that’s not all!

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  1. Benjamin

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    The first U.S. Muslim congressman won’t take his oath on the Christian Bible, but wants to take it on the Koran. He also won election on a quest to immediately withdraw troops from Iraq.

    In the same news report I hear the Islamic Religion is the fastest growing in the U.S.

    I also hear in the near future European countries will be or already are a Muslim majority.

    Could it be that this country is following suite by removing Christian principles out of everything to do with government and will be opening the door to Islamic rule some day?

    Well anyway, supposedly the congressman is within his constitutional rights:



    Oh, then there is the recent assassination and move in Lebanon to side with Iran and Syria with a surge of hatred in Turkey against the U. S.


    Is anyone else feeling a bit of concern about losing religious ground here to the Muslims?
     
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    There is already a thread on that here (linkie)

    That's partly because so few people here are Moslem - the smaller the number the more significant any increment. It would be very difficult for Christianity to grow much as the vast majority already are Christian.


    Turkey, Albania, some of the former Yugoslavia and some of the former USSR - it isn't new that they have a Moslem majority, it's new that they are European countries.

    Germany and France have sizeable immigrant populations from Turkey and Algeria, but they are not likely to outnumber the Christians there any time soon.

    Depending on what you mean by Christian principle and depending on what is actually removed, probably not. If you mean sexual morality, Moslems are more strict, generally. If by principle you mean practices such as state-sponsored prayer, then no again because it isn't Christian prayer but any religious prayer. If this is not what you mean, then you'll have to be more specific.


    Supposedly? How do you interpret the passage?


    The assassination was of a pro-Syrian politician - it was political, not religious. Turkey might have to do with the devastation of Iraq coupled with the threat of the creation of a Kurdish state on Turkey's border which we promised would not happen if Turkey cooperated with the invasion.

    I wouldn't equat Iran with Syria as they are two very different countries.



    Sure, there is a lot of paranoia here. Can you tell me what it matters as salvation is individual, not national?
     
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    ==Since I am in somewhat of a bad mood today I will be blunt...

    Either the man does what he is told or he goes home...

    It is that simple.

    I am tired of everyone wanting their own way. :BangHead:
     
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    Maybe I have missed something, but where is directed that a person, MUST take the oath on the Bible.?:confused:

    Salty
     
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    No one is required to take the oath of office on the Protestant Bible or the Catholic Bible or the Jewish Bible or anyone's Bible. An elected representative can take his oath of office on Sports Illustrated if he/she wants to.
     
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    It's been almost four years now so my memory may be faulty but didn't Turkey refuse to allow us to use their country as a staging base for a push from the north into Iraq?
     
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    The voice of reason. :thumbs:
     
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    What does Keith Ellison believe?

    ==So, in other words, Ellison wants women to be able to kill their babies and not think another thing about it. He wants people, who do not murder to have a waiting period before buying a gun, but he does not want women who wish to murder their babies to have a waiting period.

    ==Since the baby is not the mother, the mother does not have the right to have that baby murdered. This is not about "fundamental rights". If this clown really believes that murdering one's baby is a fundamental right then the fact that he has been elected says something VERY bad about our country.

    ==When a woman has sex with a man she has made her choice. That is where the choice is made once she is with child it is too late.

    ==LIE! How can anyone support the murder of babies and then claim to "recognize the sanctity of human life".

    God has warned...

    What do people like Ellison, Clinton, and Obama support? Click here for your answer. Please note that, because of board rules and the intensely graphic nature of the photo, I have not linked directly to the very graphic picture. Once on Camp's page click on PBA photo link contained in the first paragraph. This about it. What this guy calls a "fundamental human right" is so horrible, so graphic, that I cannot provide a direct link to a picture of it from this board. That, alone, should indicate something. So pardon me while I don't take this man's religious convictions too seriously. If I thought he was sincere I would be much more willing to be more understanding about his swearing in. Really I don't care if he swears on a Bible, a Koran, or any other "holy" book. However considering his position on abortion I don't think any religious convictions he holds should be taken too seriously. Why not? Because it is a contradiction to believe in God and, at the same time, believe it is ok to take innocent life in the name of freedom.

    quotes taken from HIS webpage
     
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    For one thing, I don't want my country which was founded on Judeo-Christian principles to become a muslim nation, which is the islamic goal - to islamitize the world. I don't want to live under islamic law. And salvation is not the issue, but how those who have been saved (Christians) and ex-muslims who have become Christians, how people are treated in islamic nations, i.e., torture, beheadings, murder, is the point.

    There is a real and present danger of islam infringing on non-islamic countries, as has been proven by history and it is happening before our own eyes.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16493

    Giving satan a foothold soon becomes a stronghold. History has proven this with the spread of islam.
     
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    Sounds like a liberal to me. Most liberals in elected office are Christians. I don't agree with them on a lot of issues. Their religion has nothing to do with it.

    The people of this Muslim's district voted him into office. That was their decision to make, not yours or mine.

    This paranoia over having a Muslim in the Congress is unbecoming of a Christian or any rational, thinking human being.

    I am supporting a Mormon for the GOP 2008 presidential nomination. There may be some folks who have a problem with that if they can't realize that politics is for governing the entire country, not the church or any portion of the church. For those interested, check this out:

    www.evangelicalsformitt.org/why.php
     
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    In a word. No.


    My God is more powerful than any Nation, any other Religion, or any one person.

    I am saved through the blood of Jesus Christ and that is all I need to get me through this wicked world, until we are called up to be with our Father in Heaven.

    Sorry, I can't be afraid of such news, or even get mad at it. Doesn't the Bible tell us that it will get hard for believers before the end has come? In my opinion, the quicker it gets harder for us, the sooner I will be with my Lord and Saviour.

    Jamie
    Your will be done my Lord... your will.
     
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    ==I have no problem with him being a Muslim. That is not my issue. My issue is his positions. I doubt his religious beliefs are really that strong. I wonder if abortion is allowed by mainstream Islam? I seriously doubt it.

    ==If the RNC runs Mitt Romney I very well might vote for him. However I would like a clear explanation from him about his 180 on abortion. I like his new position but I fear that it could be politically motivated. If that is the case, like GW Bush, he will do nothing to enforce our murder laws and thus end the murder of innocent babies. If the RNC runs McCain I either will not vote or I will vote for a third party candidate.
     
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    ==Given these people's position on abortion I think it is fair to say that satan not only has a foothold in this nation but that he is already in the house.
     
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    So a single Muslim being elected to the U.S. Congress means that things are getting
    hard for Christians? Huh?
     
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    The abortion issue alone doesn't drive my vote, but you might be interested in this:

    What about the Abortion Issue?

    Many people know that Gov. Romney ran against Sen. Ted Kennedy back in 1994 as a pro-choice candidate. Clearly, one can be a convert on the abortion issue. Witness Ronald Reagan, the divorced movie actor who was elected president in 1980 on the strength of huge evangelical support after signing the nation’s most liberal abortion law as governor of California. Reagan later changed his heart on this issue and became one of the most effective pro-life leaders in history. Obviously, our movement can and should support true “converts” on the abortion issue. In fact, converts can be the best advocates.

    Gov. Romney has proven he really is such a convert. As we pointed out earlier, he stood against embryonic stem cell research in Massachusetts, at great political cost to himself. He also pledged in his 2002 run for governor not to change the abortion laws in any way—which in his liberal state is frustrating to abortionists, not to pro-life voters. (His opponent wanted to dramatically liberalize the abortion laws, and we’re thankful she was stopped!) We are confident Gov. Romney will appoint the kind of pro-life, conservative judges people of faith (and the Constitution) demand. While there’s no perfect candidate in the field on abortion, no serious presidential contender has risked more for the pro-life cause than Mitt Romney.

    - from www.evangelicalsformitt.org/why.php
     
  16. Benjamin

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    Not according to the news report I heard a while back as they were talking about 20 years for a Muslim majority in France at the current rate and England to follow suite.


    I do not believe the pledge of allegiance will change to “one nation under Allah” but first rather see the phrase “under God” to become offensive enough to some to be removed. I mean what’s it going to come to? A universal God, NO, because then dare that prayer even infers a god, so what about the atheist rejections? So were does it lead to, universalism, I doubt it, but to exclusion all together; this is just on one issue of many, and whether you agree or disagree that this nation was founded with Christian ideology (principles) that will fade into God knows what and being liberal on this issue should be a concern to our Christian societal existence!



    It also says “shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation” so Mr. Ellison wishes to affirm to Allah, and what does that mean to you and me?



    Yet, I hear about a desired move toward and affiliation ties with them since the assassination; what’s up with dat?


    Salvation is individual? A Universalist might agree with that statement, but as a Christian I would affirm that there is only one God and one way to salvation…one Gospel freely preached! I understand enough about the Jihad and that by literal interpretations of the Koran that if Muslims came into power we would not expect the same liberalisms in return. Paranoia? How about reasonable observance?

    What protects our children if in a future society there becomes a majority of Muslims elected within our democratic system and voice from the majority people from re-amending the constitution to abide by Muslim laws?
     
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    This is the most ridiculous discussion I have ever witnessed on this board. One solitary Muslim gets elected to our Congress in the 230 year history of our country and all of sudden we hear a bunch of Chicken Littles saying, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

    Get a grip on reality, folks. Get a grip on reality. :)
     
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    Being a resident of Utah, I certainly do not want the majority to decide what scripture everybody else takes a pledge to, or reads, or beliefs in.

    Benjamin, if you had your way everybody here would be taking pleges on the BOM.
     
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    Our wonderful nation gives each citizen a voice by enabling them to cast a single vote for a person of their own choosing. Some may choose to vote for what they percieve to be the overall good for the majority. However, a child of God has a greater responsibility to Jesus Christ. We are ambassadors for Jesus Christ. Our vote is or should be cast on behalf of Jesus Christ. A decision for a canidate should begin with #1 is he or she a Christian. We are warned by God not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. Casting a vote for an unbeliever such as a Mormon would be a no-no. #2, If the canidate is a Christian you will know by thier fruit and they will base their leadership on the Word of God, therefore a canidate who sides with the murder of innocent life would be a no-no according to Scripture because not only are they yoking themselves with murderers but are lying about it as well proving themselves to be a non believer.

    There are black and white moral issues, such as the murdering of babies, that should easily eliminate certain canidates as a Christian choice. Issues like SSI and economics are simply opinions of just which plan one should adopt to get an end result. Every canidate supports taking care of the poor, Christian or not, so a subject such as this would not factor into the choice until the murder issue was at rest.

    As for the muslim winning the election, that should tell you that this nation is not as Christian as you may think it is. Being unequally yoked with an unbeliever is a fundamental Christian principle and command from God. Just folks saying they are christian does not make them one!

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
  20. Benjamin

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    What??? Did you miss the title of the OP about "but that's not all!"? It not about just about one potatoe :laugh: chip. It's about "I can't believe I ate the WHOLE thing!" Yep, there it is in front of you and before you know it, it's all gone! I'm not so sure I want to start eating this meal.
     

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