Kent Hovind Blog

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    Its been so sad to see what has happened to Hovind.

    I disagree with his stand on taxes, but the law here seems to have been unreasonable.
     
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    Poor Bro Hovind could have avoided all this by obeying Scripture and rendering unot Caesar.

    On the other hand - what an amazing ministry opportunity he has. May God bless his efforts in a mission field that few others will ever be able to reach in the way that he will.

    May God in His sovereignty allow our brother to serve while he is there, keep him safe, protect his family, and shorten his term according His will.
     
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    Yea do not get between the communists and "their" money. But if you support their socialist agenda and you misteat women then the feminists will wink at that, if you lie under oath and cover it up the socialists in congress will wink at that, but if you are a conservative there is no room for error.
     
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    1 Peter 2:13-15 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. 15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.

    Too bad Hovind didn't practice the Bible he claims to preach. He could have silenced the ignorance of these foolish men by doing right. It was God's will and he refused. Now he is in jail.
     
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    Hovind broke the law and nobody is above the law (not even Richard Nixon). For this reason Hovind is not worthy of our support.

    Scripture is very clear that we should obey human law and that we should not be found guilty of disobeying it. What does Peter say?

    "Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler; but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name." -1Peter 4:15-16

    There are times when we are allowed to disobey human government. This is allowed only when government orders us to do something that God forbids or when government orders us not to do something God has commanded. Even in those times, however, we are to expect the government to take action. Like happened with Daniel, Peter, John, and Paul we can expect the government to come after us for disobeying. However in those cases we are to suffer "as a Christian" for doing what was right or not doing what was wrong.

    Kent Hovind cannot claim that he was in either of those situations. He refused to pay his taxes, when Scripture clearly commands us to pay our taxes (Rom 13:5-8), so he is rightfully suffering as a law breaker. He need not try to drag God into this. God did not tell Hovind not to pay his taxes. Hovind seems to major in trying to get around the law and the right way of doing things. His "degrees" are from a highly questionable unaccredited correspondence school and his background in teaching has been at a school he opened himself. From it's website his creation "museum" looks cheaply done. In fact it looks like something the man opened in his backyard (certainly far from the quality museum that Answers in Genesis is preparing to open). He is KJVO and, in a debate against Hugh Ross on the John Ankerberg show a few years ago, he made all young earth creationists look bad. Hugh Ross, an old earth creationist, won that debate hands down. And why? Hovind was/is simply not qualified to deal with scientific issues.

    If people are looking for good young earth teachings may I suggest they look to Answers in Genesis and/or the Institute for Creation Research. These are professional ministries that work hard to be Biblical and scientific.

    As far as I am concerned Kent Hovind (Dr Dino) has bought shame and embarrassment on the church of the Lord Jesus Christ. He should be ashamed of what he has done. In short I don't feel sorry for him and I think he is getting what he rightfully deserves.
     
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    Wow, who are you to judge who is worthy of anything?

    From the legal proceedings I have seen there are definitely things where I disagree with Hovind. But it also seems the government officials on his case have been less than reasonable.

    As for his creation work, he has done immeasurable good in the lives of believers and those searching for Christ the world over.

    You assessment seems harsh. He has messed up, plain and simple, but I know I have and chances are you have too.

    As for knocking his credentials, that is irrelevant. I live in a country where to get a "recognised" Bible degree would be to go with a liberal or charismatic school. We don't have any Crown Colleges or Northlands here. Its educational pride that makes it difficult for many people to be recognised for their quality rather then their piece of paper in a frame.

    Hovind has put out excellent material and he has messed up, but lets give credit where credit is due - he has done, by the grace of God, much good.
     
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    Actually, many people say Hovind's material is not good material. He is, according to many, an embarrassment to biblical creationism.
     
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    ==I'm not saying the government is in the clear on this. I am just saying that Hovind did not obey the law (human or Divine). have not judged Hovind, the Word of God has and so has the courts of our land. In this case I believe that the courts ruling is fair.

    ==I can't agree with that. Many of his "proofs" are based on sloppy evidence. Even Answers in Genesis, and other young earth creationist organizations, have had to write articles refuting Hovind's many myths. Ministries like Hovind's do more harm than good in my opinion. He tends to verify the typical sterotype of young earth creationists.

    ==This is not about him messing up. If this was just an honest mistake on his part I would not be so harsh. However for years I have watched Hovind make a laughing stock of creationism. I have watched evolutionists hold him up and use him to scorn the church. This man has done much more harm than good. Don't get me wrong. I pray that he is safe and that he is able to turn things around. I would love nothing more than to see "Dr Dino" do good for the Kingdom. However he will not do that good by failing to pay his taxes, claiming degrees from a questionable school, and by having a theme park that looks like something he set up in his backyard. I mean compare his theme park/museum with that of Answers In Genesis. I'm sorry but there is no way to compare the two.

    ==It is not irrelevant. The man has no qualifications to speak on scientific issues. As far as I know he does not even have a undergraduate degree much less a real doctorate degree. There are plenty of universities he could have gone to and earned a undergraduate in science education and maybe a masters in science education. It would have taken him a few more years and he would have had to put more work into it but it would have done him a lot of good. In America there are, and have been, schools everywhere so he has no excuse. I am not saying he had to earn a PhD or anything like that. A BS in science education, and maybe a MS in Science education as well, would have been more than enough. He could have enrolled in one and worked hard to earn his credentials. Of course then he could not have called himself "Dr Dino".


    ==Hovind has neither credentials nor quality work. So even if what you said was true, and in the field of science it is not, Hovind still does not measure up that well.

    See Answers In Genesis response to Kent Hovind.
     
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    Kent Hovind

    I own the Creation DVD set and enjoy them very much. To say that he material is no good is wrong. My 10 year old daughter loves watching his DVDs. I recognized on one of his DVDs that he was disagreeing with the IRS.

    At the same time, if what he has done was wrong and he is in jail for it, then I pray that Dr. Hovind will say, "God, how can you use me in this situation?" We should still pray for him because he is our brother in Christ and continue to pray for their ministry. Should we look down at Paul because he go put into jail?
     
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    There is a huge difference between Paul and Hovind. Paul was jailed and persecuted for being a Christian and preaching the gospel. Hovind, on the other hand, ignored the Bible and did not "render unto Ceasar". Regardless of whatever misconstrued and illogical constitutional argument he may have had, he still had a responsibility to follow the law. I hope he does great things for the Lord in jail, but in jail is where he belongs nontheless.
     
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    On the other hand, I believe he is no better than a common thief and got what he deserved.
     
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    Martin, thanks for the reply.

    All I know is that many people have been helped. Where he has it wrong we'll just have to learn. But to deny he has done good is wrong.

    As for his stand on taxes, :), I'll leave that to you guys in the US.

    From the court reports that were published it still seems unreasonable.
     
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    ==When I speak of "good material" I am talking about scientific accuracy. Hovind, as Answers in Genesis has pointed out, gets it wrong...a lot.

    ==Paul was not put in jail for breaking the law of man and the law of God (as Hovind was).
     
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    Use the BB's "search" function and enter "hovind" in order to see earlier threads where quite a bit of discussion took place with plenty of documentation.
     
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    I have mixed emotions about all of this. First of all I am someone whose faith was tested when attending a state college over 20 years ago. I was not at all armed with ammunition to dispute my professors in college and for about 10 yrs after college I struggled with the whole creationism vs. evolution debate until I went to visit my brother in Alaska and watched Kent Hovind's tapes. They literally changed my life and gave me the confidence to debate the issue intelligently and then to even teach creationism in my church a few years later.

    I am very surprised on a BB to see all of the harsh criticism against a man doing God's work. I do think he did wrong, but I also think he was/is taking a stand on the issue. If everyone who believes not rendering unto ceaser should be interpreted this way then we would still be under the rule of the King of England!! It was people taking a stand, and yes very much so breaking the law that set the American Revolution off. Would you just agree we should have been loyal subjects of the crown and remained so?
     
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    snr(etc.), you might find the issue a little clearer if you take the time (and I realize that it takes a lot of time) to read and digest the posts on previous threads. The movings in your mind are not unlike those which many Christians have experienced before. Hovind is a very attractive person, and that makes it difficult to come to the conclusion that he is seriously blameworthy. One needs to have the evidence firmly in hand.

    Once you've covered the BB posts, there's an even greater body of analysis out there in the world of Google.
     
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    snr(etc) made a good point when he said, "If everyone who believes not rendering unto ceaser should be interpreted this way then we would still be under the rule of the King of England!!"

    To make things right and to render unto ceaser that which is ceasers, I reckon in today's currency you owe the United Kingdom... $$$$$$$$$$$ - of course that currency will now be void and only pound sterling will be acceptable.

    Wow, your entire nation rests upon not paying taxes, you should all go to jail!

    One point to correct, you will now be under the authority of Queen Elizabeth!

    The democratic republic of the United States of (north) America is dead - long live the Queen!

    Forgive me, but that was too much fun to miss!
     
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    It's also misguided. Hovind failed to obey God in the matter in 2007, not in 1776.
     
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    But wouldn't that revert you back to pre-Norman Revolution rule?

    I guess we're all gonna be paying Mesopotamian or Egyptian taxes, eh?

    :laugh:
     
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