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Kent Hovind Blog

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by gerald285, Mar 24, 2007.

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  1. Dale-c

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    Wait, does ANYTHING that this government says go?
    Do you obey any and all things that the government says to do?
    What if it violates the constitution?
    WHat if is violates the Bible?
    I don't know anything about Hovind so I am not here to defend or condemn him.
    I DID know Greg Dixon and he WAS up to shenanigans as you put it. But the errors of Dixon and or Hovind in no way excuse blind obedience to a God hating government such as we have.
     
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    Until it requires me to disobey God.

    That is handled through the courts. Under the constitution, the constitution means what the courts say it means. This, BTW, is a great argument against "idealistic" voting, that is, voting for a candidate who cannot win. The recent election led to two SCOTUS nominees (Roberts and Alito) both of whom were a good deal better than anything Kerry would have nominated.

    Then we obey God.
     
  3. Dale-c

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    Well, our fundamental difference is that you believe in Rex Lex, whereas I believe in Lex Rex.

    We both seem to believe that God is the ultimate lawgiver though.

    BTW, I think both nominees were TERRIBLE justices.
    WHen you say your religion will not interfere, then your true god is precedent etc.
     
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    Who on this board has ever advocated blind obedience???

    See this thread:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=38850
     
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    I was referring to the multiple times that people have invoked things like "God ordained this government so we should do whatever they say" it has been said a few times.
    Things like "Obey every ordinance of man etc.
    BUt what do we do when the officer of the law does not obey the law?

    The law is NOT whatever a judge says it is.
     
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    I Just read that thread. While I am glad that you said what you said and do agree with you, I don't see how you and others don't stand on a much more important issue like with Roy Moore etc.
    THe Hovind case is more debatable.
    With Moore is was a case of honoring the first commandment.
    If you stand against sodomy, drunkenness, abortion and every other sin except the violation of the first commandment, what have you gained?
     
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    I don't want to go back over old ground on the Moore case.

    You charge of blind obedience and worshiping the state are simply untrue, no one here says obey the state when it conflicts with the word of God.
     
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    But God tells us to obey the authorities as long as it does not contradict His word.

    And Jesus obeyed in the area of taxation.

    Hovind didn't.
     
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    No, not really.

    I am not sure what you believe on this.

    They are fair, not terrible by any standard. We live in a government where precedence has weight. I think it is absurd to say that religion will not interfere. It most certainly will, whether they admit it or not. What will be shown is what their religion really is.

    But at the end of the day, those two were better than what Kerry would have put up. And that was the point.
     
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    In this thread, we have clearly answered that question.

    In this country, it is. And you appeal through the constitutional set up prescribed. You don't get to decide what the law is on your own.
     
  11. Dale-c

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    So are you saying courts make law then?

    If you believe that then you must admit that we live in a form of dictatorship.
    And you believe in Rex Lex, or at least in this case it is the judge that is the law.

    Also, to say Jesus obeyed in the area of taxation, you need to go back and read that a little better.

    Jesus said to pay tribute to whom it is due and I fully agree.
    But taxes are not a black and white issue. It isn't either pay them or don't pay them.
    As far as Hovind is concerned, Iam not sure what all he did or did not do.

    Gideon was a tax protester in essence.
    Solomon taxed the people and was blessed in many ways.

    Tell me this:
    If a government demands by force a tax that does not belong to it, has it stolen?
     
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    No of course not. The courts interpret law. Aren't you familiar with how our government works?

    Yes it is. You either pay them or not.

    Gideon wasn't a tax protester, but all this is irrelevant since we don't live in Israel.

    How would the government demand a tax that does not belong to it? That makes no sense.
     
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    10-page warning: This thread will be closed no sooner than 3:45 a.m. ET by one of the moderators.

    Lady Eagle
     
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    Closed per previous notice. LE
     
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