Kerry Heckler Tasered

Let me assure you that "going to be one" and living with it day by day are two different scenarios. Even after going through an acadamy and having benn on the job just one day you would be told as an inexperienced rookie that you haven't walked the face of this earth as a cop long enough to know anything about it, by your fellow officers.

I have seen one man send 3 of ten officers trying to contain him to the hospital all because he was on pcp and had a pocket knife which was ignored because he was just one man among ten cops. Again do not pretend to know what law enforcement officers go through on a daily basis.

 

Are you a man or a mouse? Getting a little dramatic?

5 men ontop of 1 man = plight?

That is undermining what the real plight of a police officer is. When his life is in CLEAR danger. I gotta get to work now.

 

I suggest you look back on post 81

 

Occupation

Among the occupational groups, government workers in protective service occupations were the most likely to incur a fatal workplace injury over the period. Within protective service occupations, police and detectives, including supervisors, accounted for 1,448 workplace fatalities, and firefighting and fire prevention occupations, including supervisors, accounted for 437. In addition, 1,135 workplace fatalities occurred in military occupations.6 Other occupations with a large number of fatal occupational injuries to government employees include transportation and material moving occupations (434); handlers, equipment cleaners, helpers, and laborers (375); and construction trades (310).

http://www.bls.gov/opub/cwc/sh20040223ar01p1.htm

During the 10-year period from 1992 to 2001.....

 

I have heard that people on certain drugs have an extrodinary amount of power, wow.

Really, that guy who wouldn't shut up at the Kerry meeting should have been whacked with a baton once after he argued back so many times and told to shut the (you know what) up. Then throw the book at him for his crimes. But unnecessary force is not good.
Even though I feel the Officers interrupted too quick, we must honor their authority. Usually, even when they aren't correct. But whacking him more than once could really hurt him and I don't think his crime warranted that. He was disruptive.
Using a tazer that could stop his heart isn't right here, one whack of a tazer can kill.
That's where I draw my line.

 

Taser bad - baton whack good ?


:laugh:

 

Sorry for laughing, Joe, but it seems you are saying a baton in the head, or belly, or wherever is not excessive force, but a taser is. Seems like both of them are designed to immediately stop dangerous behavior.

 

Not again. I didn't say it was good. One whack of a tazer can kill, the force of a baton when administered can be regulated. Also the bruises left by batons are evidence, as tazers leave none. I am not advocating hitting the guy until he resisted them, but I can see loosing patience and whacking him once. Those Cops put up with this stuff so much sometimes their patience is low, as mine would be if I was a Cop. No matter what, excessive force and torture was used in this situation. But that doesn't mean the guy didn't learn from the situation. Who knows...Now I really better get to work, gotta go all. Be back to read later.

 

There is no evidence of excessive force or torture. But there is a world of evidence of non compliance with a legal order given by a law enforcement officer. they did good work.:thumbs:

 

That is a great question! Although, the kid does look like he was out of line.

 

After reading of so much support for this character (AKA "SPOILED "BRAT"), I no longer wonder at the idiocy that prevails in today's society that is blamed on others.

"1984" IS HERE folks, with all its "evil is good, good is evil" newspeak!!!

"You are free to choose, BUT you aren't free to choose the consequences of your choice!"

Deny it all you like; this is a fact of life, and it will be played out on the stage of life whether you consider it fair or not!

Not one ounce of pity from this ole' timer for the young whelp!!

Back in my youth, if I had been "this guy" I would have dreaded the punishment from my parents after they found out about it far more that what I received from the police.

Times, they are a changing!

 

Nobody here is supporting "this character". That is simply not true. What is NOT supported is the use of the tazer on "this character". Big difference...get it straight.

 

"Disturbing the peace" or "trespassing" would have probably been a more appropriate charge. "Inciting a riot" and "Resisting arrest" are both bogus since inciting a riot is not what this guy was doing, and the cops put their hands on him before he started resisting arrest. Bogus arrests are considered assault and battery.

Reasons for arrest aside: His forced removal didn't have any impact on free speech, only the platform of that free speech. You are guaranteed free speech in this nation, but you are not guaranteed a free platform for that speech. This guy was trying to take advantage of both things assuming both were protected rights. He went overboard.

The question here: Are you always guaranteed a free platform for free speech on public property? The answer is no. The area was reserved, and rules were put in place on the use of the free platform by the director to maintain order. This guy broke those rules, was asked to leave by the director, failed to do so, and was arrested (in my opinion for the wrong reasons).

So I don't think the issue here is free speech. He still has his free speech. The issue here is excessive use of force. Was a taser required to arrest him when there were 6+ officers there?

 

Good points, Kubel.

 

Do you have any experience in restraining, or arresting folks ? If you do, do you know of anyone who's had their carreer ended by being injured trying to restrain, or arrest someone ? How many times should this kid have been asked to turn over ?


I put the safety of the officers, & bystanders above the loudmouth. He didn't have to be tased. He could have co-operated, and avoided it. It's his fault he was tased, nobody else's.

 

It's the person on the receiving end's fault when excessive force is used by police.

 

As do I.:thumbs:

 

Yup. Good to see you coming around.

Does experience count for anything ? Or somehow, does once upon a time you thinking about becoming a cop make you more of an expert than someone who has performed literally thousands of restraints ?

 

I'm sorry which court decided this was excessive force.?

 

So, by experience, you mean this situation...you must have been one of the 5 guys sitting on him I take it...or were you the one with the tazer?