Kerry is looking good

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  1. Gina B

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    Kerry is sounding pretty good tonight on all the issues so far apart from gay marriage and abortion, but I don't agree with Bush on that either and feel he's a lot closer to Kerry's stand on those than he will outright say.
    Bush's views on illegal immigration are sickening, and I cannot believe I heard him say what he did about amnesty. Did he really say that it was wrong to let amnesty cases be heard sooner than other immigration cases? What was THAT all about?!
    He also grossly misunderstands the nation's problems with the public education system.
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    President Bush even looked surprised at the thought of Middle Easterners coming across our southern border. Another breakdown of intelligence? Can't be, it's been in the press.

    Same-o, same-o, same-o. They are so much alike in so many ways.

    If only Michael Peroutka would have been allowed to debate both of them.... [​IMG]
     
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    I wonder if they know they're wearing the same tie?
     
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    I noticed that too. What's up with that ?
     
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    Again neither candidate really says anything. It's just the same old rhetoric.
     
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    I lived in Texas when Bush was governor. It went from a system that was trash to a system where the classes were smaller and the children were expected to produce. I later moved to Arizona and my daughter was already six months ahead of Arizona. Then we moved to CA and my daughter was six months ahead of AZ. In five years of education Texas was ahead one full year of California and six months ahead of Arizona. Before Bush became governor the teachers told me things that were disgusting. What a difference he made in such a short time! A friend of mine who is a principal in California told me he would like to have all the teachers he can get from Texas.

    I can tell you about the babies raising childreen who send their kids to school to be educated. When we lived in Texas I never heard parents complain about the homework their children were given.But In WA and CA I heard loads of complaints. I taught high school and some of the biggest complaints I heard were from parents telling me I was expecting to much from their kids, that school should be fun. I had to re-educate some of them and tell them that school was to be hard work but the results of education were enjoyable. The first year I had complaints from students telling me I was hard but when they had their pieces of furniture judged I never heard another word. My students consistently every year took the first three places. When they learn and do well they are rewarded by much more than the short sweetness and lasting bitterness of playtime. One of my former students came up to me in a store and told me an employer he interviewed with had asked him who he had in high school for woodworking. The young man was hired. I had never heard of that man but he had heard about the me and what we were doing. It's about discipline. Each year I took my top class of students on a two day field trip to the redwoods area of CA and to visit some facilities. Never once did I ever have any problem with them. Other teachers told me they would never do that. But students who do well respect those teachers who exepct them to learn. My classes nearly doubled in size in four years too.

    The problem is not the teachers as it is the babies who are raising them. In almost every case if I had a problem with a student I had an even worse problem with the parent. I would hear things like my son or daughter would never do that. I told a parent one time that she was welcome to sit in my class unannounced in my office to observe her son. She quieted up real fast and never came.

    But the funniest thing is that my daughter wants to be a doctor and gets straight A's. She works hard to get those grades. She is in the same system as anyone else. But we make her work hard. Schol is not to be a picnic but rewarding. Take a look around and ask yourself how many teacher's children are troublemakers and getting poor grades. That will tell you about how good the teachers are.
     
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    It's been said men can't see different shades of red very well, and now I believe it. [​IMG]
    Bush's tie was a brighter shade of red. Kerry's was more of a maroon and made of a silkier material with a more slender cut.
    Also, Bush's suit was lighter while his shirt was more cream than white.
    Completely different looks.
    Kerry's suit made him look more crisp and on edge, while Bush's choice of colors made him look more dignified and at ease with the situation.
    Gina...your friendly political fashion consultant.

    PS Bush shouldn't have worn a patterned tie with the suit, the patterns clashed and may have given people the impression that he is scatterbrained and unable to pull his thoughts together.
     
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    I thought President Bush did very good outside of the immigration issue. I might be confused, but it seems to me that he was the one who supported amnesty for illegal aliens. Tonight, I think he said he was against that and Kerry is the one who was for that. Other than that one issue, Bush was dead on, although I would have attacked Kerry's remarks about getting a "real alliance" a lot harder. How does Kerry expect to build a stronger alliance when he denigrates and ridicules the one we currently have and calls this the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time?

    Bush won health care hands down. Bush won on tax cuts and effectively painted Kerry as a liberal big government guy from Massechussetts. You pay and he goes on to spend your money. On style and substance, Bush won every point except immigration. Bush won abortion (supreme court issue) and gay marriage (being against it).

    Best performance yet. He has put Kerry on the defense and set the tone for a win.

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    I also think I would have handled the Minimum Wage issue a little different. I would have carried his education plan further by saying that while Kerry wants to raise minimum wage, Bush wants better education to allow people to get better jobs. He kinda hem-hawed around it a bit, but never really knowcked that one out of the park by saying something like "the goal is not a higher minimum wage. The goal is better education to bring people out of minimum wage jobs and into a better life. We can and are doing better and will continue the progress". That is just what I would have said. In other words, instead of throwing a few crumbs to the minimum wage crowd and basically keeping them where they are, I would want to offer them the opportunity for a better life.

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    President Bush Said Tonight:

    Would someone set the record straight here, but wasn't he for this a year ago?

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    Raising the minimum wage will only encourage more illegal aliens to come here and take the minimum wage jobs they tell us American citizens don't want. I don't know anyone who makes minimum wage other than maybe some teenagers in high school working at fast food.

    No one mentions, of course, that one reason the Social Security fund is short is because of all the aborted babies who would have been paying into it all these years had they not been murdered and been allowed to grow up, be educated, and earn wages to pay into Social Security. (sigh)

    I thought it was a cheap shot to bring Mary Cheney into the debate. Edwards did it first, now Kerry. Beyond the pale, bringing personal things in like that, dirty politics.

    As far as corporations moving off shore, he might have a hassle with the missus over cutting the benefits to off shore - majority of Heinz is overseas now.
     
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    It's America, red, white and blue.
     
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    Yes, Joseph. I think I even posted about it. He had a change of tune (for now) - he wanted to grant amnesty. The conservatives blasted him for it.

    He even used the term "illegal aliens." I about fell outta my chair. When he was wanting to grant amnesty, he used the term "undocumented workers."
     
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    Bush doesn't consider his worker program for the 8 to 12 million illegals in the country to be an "amnesty" program, even though every conservative group that opposes him calls it one.
     
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    True, JGrubbs. True.
     
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    How did Bush do on the moral issues tonight?

    On the issue of homosexuality:

    QUESTION: Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?

    BUSH: You know, Bob, I don't know. I just don't know. I do know that we have a choice to make in America and that is to treat people with tolerance and respect and dignity. It's important that we do that. And I also know in a free society people, consenting adults can live the way they want to live. And that's to be honored.

    On the issue of abortion:

    Bush said twice that we should "reduce the number of abortions".

    I say, we don't need to simply "reduce the number of abortions", we need to end the murder of innocent children in America, to simply say we need to "reduce the number of abortions", makes abortion sound like nothing more than an STD that can be reduced through education.

    QUESTION: He said...that you had never said whether you would like to overturn Roe v. Wade. So I'd ask you directly, would you like to?

    BUSH: What he's asking me is, will I have a litmus test for my judges? And the answer is, no, I will not have a litmus test. I will pick judges who will interpret the Constitution, but I'll have no litmus test.

    [ October 13, 2004, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: JGrubbs ]
     
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    Would you two give me a link where I could read about what Bush has said in the past about the Amnesty issue? This is certainly one issue he lost for sure. Lucky for him, it is the only issue I think Kerry won tonight. Everything else was all Bush.

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    I think so, but he defines amnesty differently than what it was meant to be. He's FOR amnesty for illegal citizens and has said so, but he is referring to illegals who come here to work, and that wasn't the definition of amnesty that was being addressed tonight.
    Amnesty is meant to help illegals who need a place of refuge, not so they can come here and work because they want a better life, but because their situation in their own country is dangerous or forcing them into an immoral situation. For example, if a woman in China was pregnant and the government wanted to force an abortion, she could run to America and apply for amnesty and her case would be heard before the illegal guy from Mexico who crossed the border in order to be able to work and send his wages back into Mexico.
    Or in one situation where I helped someone apply, they were in danger of being killed for his beliefs if he returned to Cuba. He applied for amnesty.
    It sounded to me like Bush is redefining the intentions of amnesty and pushing them forward while pushing the real definition of amnesty back and trivializing the desperate need for it and for the life of me I can't figure out why. It goes against so much of what America stands for.
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    You really should post the rest of his statement where he says that marriage should be between one man and one woman and he supported a Constitutional ammendment that said so because he was afraid of activist judges shoving the the gay rights agenda down the throats of everyone in America.

    On the issue of abortion:

    Bush said twice that we should "reduce the number of abortions".

    I say, we don't need to simply "reduce the number of abortions", we need to end the murder of innocent children in America, to simply say we need to "reduce the number of abortions", makes abortion sound like nothing more than an STD that can be reduced through education.
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    And Peroutka will wave his magical Constitutional wand and poof, no more abortions in America. [​IMG]

    QUESTION: He said...that you had never said whether you would like to overturn Roe v. Wade. So I'd ask you directly, would you like to?

    BUSH: What he's asking me is, will I have a litmus test for my judges? And the answer is, no, I will not have a litmus test. I will pick judges who will interpret the Constitution, but I'll have no litmus test.
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    Funny. I thought the CPer's were wanting a supreme court that interprets the Constitution and not legistlate from the bench. Which is it, guys? Do you wants judges who will interpret the Constitution, or do you want a litmus test for judges who will legistlate from the bench?

    Joseph Botwinick
     

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