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Kicking Abortion and Marriage to the Curb

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. Crabtownboy

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    And you have in a veiled way say that you hate people in need. You have proven my point and I thank you for that.
     
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    Apparently you have no idea what the GOP holds to with these groups. But I do know that the left (like yourself) does not just want to assist them. They want to keep them on the dole rather than get them on their feet so that they can maintain political expediency.
     
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    You continue to preach another myth, but that is all right.

    Personally I want to give them fish long enough that they can be taught to fish.

    The GOP has pretty plainly said we do not want to give your fish, we do not want to teach your to fish, in fact we want to take any fishing gear you may have away and give it to rich folk.
     
  4. Revmitchell

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    It looks like CTB is a bit angry. :tear:
     
  5. Aaron

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    As Crab boy extols the moral superiority of the left to justify his politics, it should, by now, be clear that no one really believes the subterfuge he belched in his first post. The reality is that one's morality dictates his politics. If one votes for the party of murder and sodomy, it is because murder and sodomy are compatible with one's world view.

    Anyone else had enough of the little leftists parading around here as Christians?
     
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  6. Bro. Curtis

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    That is the stupidest thing you have ever said. In a very long list of stupid things.
     
  7. Revmitchell

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    No he didn't. For crying out loud do you not realize there is a God who you have to answer too? It does not appear so. You seem to think you are out there on your own and you just make up what ever you want. You really should work harder at holding your emotions under wraps better. Paul calls it being sober minded.
     
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    But I don't know if it's a fight that can be won at this point. And the Republicans certainly aren't the ones to fight it.The key is to not let people frame the discussion with their version of the truth. And when you've got one viewpoint predominantly being fed to people from pre-school through college, it becomes difficult to overcome the onslaught of wrong thinking.

    But at its core, this is a spiritual issue, and spiritually we are supposed to see this level of immoral rejection of the truth continue to increase.
    Perhaps it is time for Christian conservatives to start involving themselves more with helping the 7 or 8 generations get over the hump rather than just talking about it.

    Maybe it's time the Church started adopting neighborhoods of the poor in order to show them that there are other possibilities.
     
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    You have a sick mind Crabtownboy to post that sort of stuff. You support the slaughter the unborn baby ideolody but I don't say you hate babies
     
  10. Revmitchell

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    He was apparently upset.
     
  11. OldRegular

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    So now you are reduced to attacking Southerners. You did so the other day when you mentioned that the Confederate states voted for Romney. Of course most of the western states did also excluding the left coast. I know you want to call all those who voted Republican racists. That is another leftist lie. All the past election proves is that the Southern and Mountain states in general have a better sense of morals than you radical leftists do!
     
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    Oh he has been attacking southerners for years. It usually comes out when he has not further argument and he is mad.
     
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    That is not a myth Crabby. Obamma added 15-17 million people to food stamps in four years. How many will he add the next four years. Wen I was in high school after WWII the democrats were pushing aid to dependent children. It passed and what happened. More dependent children!

    Currently 75-80% of black children are born to unwed others; 55-60% of Latino children are born to unwed mothers; about 30% of white chldren are born to unwed mothers. Whose votes put Obamma back in office? Blacks, Latinos, and single women.

    Then you are a unique leftist. All the others want to keep them in bondage!

    Crabby don't you know it is a sin to bear false witness; in smple words lie?
     
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    Not that it matters, but I DO know how the Federal Government works!

    FWIW, I happened to have to have personally spoken to a major party's POTUS candidate, conversed with a major party's POTUS campaign manager, I've talked to a state governor, communicated with a couple US congressmen from at least four different states and at least two US senators from two different states, and am a close personal friend of a state representative who has by far the highest seniority of anyone else in that states' house.

    For some 15 years, I taught a senior high school level US Govt/Civics class in a Christian Day School based on a textbook that went into far more detail than probably even your average prospective House or Senate intern would be reasonably expected to know.

    My "cynicism" is based not on some last minute outburst that came to me a week ago.

    I'd say I have at least some basis for my "cynicism."

    What I was trying to point out is/was this simple fact:

    JUST because a political party's platform has a statement ("plank") in its contents does not mean that, if "in power," that plank will therefore become Federal LAW.

    So the GOP may have made some in-roads in limiting some laws that may have a tendency to slow down the rate of abortions in some cases.

    I guess that half a loaf of a 36-YO loaf of bread is somewhat better than none whatsoever.

    But that isn't what they campaigned for while on the stump.

    They rallied the faithful by telling them that WE, THE GOP, WILL E-N-D ALL ABORTIONS IN THE USofA!!!

    Yes, I'm cynical, and with good reason.

    BUT...... Be it known to all that, at best, a campaign promise or platform plank or whatever one wishes to call it never has, and probably never will, result in a 110% "done deal," whether we're talking about abortion or some other social/moral issue that we've faced for who knows how long in this republic.

    Why?

    Well, I believe old Isaiah pretty well summed it up some c. 2,400 or more years ago when he too realized that, ".....'Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips'....." (Isaiah 6:5)

    One can (and ought to!) do what God has called him/her to do, but when it's all said and done, we will never fully realize perfection in any major (or minor) issue that we see as morally wrong because (in case you haven't noticed) we too are sinners and live in a sin-cursed world.

    Personally, in the 44 years I've been eligible to vote for POTUS (i.e., in the 12 POTUS elections in which I voted) I've voted 3rd party in all but 3 of them.

    My "man" never won in any of them, but to me, I voted for the person that I best felt stood for the same principles I do.

    I'm sick & tired of having to hold my nose & choose the lesser of the two evils, BUT, even if "my man" would have somehow won, he'd probably disappoint me somewhere along the way.

    Why?

    Because, at best, he's still a man.

    Does that mean that I, therefore, have attained to perfection 110% of the time, 24/7/265?

    No way, Jose!

    All I'm trying to tell my BB friends is this:

    If all your hopes and dreams and aspirations, etc., are placed in a human being (or beings), in the end, you're going to wind up disappointed.

    That doesn't mean that, therefore, we need to hole up in some remote monastery some where on some far away mountain top, or pace the floor wringing our hands now that you-know-who won last week.

    When Jesus, in His parable of "The Unwise Servant" in Luke 19:13 said to "....OCCUPY, till I come," that word OCCUPY carries with it the idea of being BUSY doing something. (Strongs #4231)

    We get our English word "Pragmatic" from that Greek word.

    IOW, IMHO, no matter what happens while we are on this pigrimage here in this life, be busy doing whatever the Holy Spirit would have you to do!

    The details of how that works out in reality may (& probably will) in each person's life vary, but whatever, & wherever, & whenever the HS calls you to do, then, by all mean, DO IT!

    If that for you, includes signing petitions or marching in a right-to-life march, or doing something for/in a crisis pregnancy center, (or even adopting!), then GO FOR IT!

    BUT, until Jesus comes, we're STILL going to, somewhere along the line, see our hopes crushed in some way shape or form.

    ABORTION (or our beloved "gun rights," etc.) may suffer loss (Can any of you say, "RED CHINA"?), but I hope that, if push comes to shove, I can honestly say the same thing(s) that my favorite "Minor" Prophet said some 2,600 or so years ago when God showed up was He had planned to do with Judah (via the Babylonians):

    "I trembled inside when I heard all this; my lips quivered with fear. My legs gave way beneath me, and I shook in terror....Even though the fig trees have no blossoms, and there are no grapes on the vine; even though the olive crop fails, and the fields lie empty and barren; even though the flocks die in the fields, and the cattle barns are empty, YET, I WILL REJOICE IN THE LORD! I WILL be joyful in THE GOD OF MY SALVATION. The SOVEREIGN LORD IS my strength! HE WILL make me as surefooted as a deer AND BRING ME SAFELY over the mountains."--- Habakkuk 3:16, 17-19a (NLT 2d ed.) (emp. mine)
     
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    Yup. You and Crabtownboy absolutely epitomize the "Let Somebody Else Take Care Of The Poor" mentality. You both nail it right on the head.
     
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    Dr. Amar G. Bose gave refugee Cambodians, Laotians, and Vietnamese jobs. Along with a lot of poor Brazilians & Portuguese who had nowhere to go. They all raised kids who went to college. These ex-refugees now drive nice cars, have nice homes, and are productive members of society.

    That's how you treat the poor. With a hand up, not a hand out. We should want to stop abuse, and help the truly needy. You know, the Terry Shiavo kind of people. The people God has given us to care for. Only Satan could twist that into a message of hate.
     
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