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  1. JohnBaskette

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    ROBYCOP, U said, "John, how about meeting us in the Versions forum where we can quickly make mincemeat of your doctrine?

    And before ya post there, will you try to find some SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for the KJVO myth?"
    OK. instead of re-doing THE AURGUMENTS MY PASTOR'S WORK ALONG W/OTHER GODLY, WELL-READ MEN OF OLD HAVE SAID,
    I will use the simpilest aurgument for <inflammatory language snipped> people in this effeminate age. IT DOES REQUIRE THOUGHT, HOPE THAT'S NOT ASKING TOO MUCH: THE KING JAMES VERSON HAS NO COPYWRIGHT! This indicates NO-ONE IS MAKING $ OFF THEIR IDEAS on what GOD MEANT OR WAS TRYING TO SAY

    [ January 10, 2005, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
  2. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    You mean all King James Bibles are free??

    I had to pay almost $80 for the last one I bought. Somebody is making $$$.

    What an original idea to bring up the copyright argument.

    BTW, the KJV is still under a Crown copyright. Not quite the same as a commercial copyright, but it is copyrighted.
     
  3. Scott J

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    Actually it is under a form of copyright issued by the English Crown. Because of this fact, it could not be legally printed in America during the early days of colonization.

    Further, if it had been under an US copyright, I am fairly sure it would have run out by now. I think some of the older MV's (ie. ASV) are now in public domain.

    Finally, copyrights are the inventions of men. If I translated a Bible and failed to get a copyright do you really think that would qualify as a qualitative proof for my translation?

    Copyrights of MV's are necessary for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with making money. In fact, some of the groups owning these copyrights are not-for-profit. One very good reason is so that a perverse cult like the JW's couldn't take say the NASB change key doctrinal passages then distribute it under the same title.

    Another good reason is that people get paid for their work. Contemporary translators are entitled to have their time and skill compensated just like the KJV translators were. Of course modern translators don't have US government backing or politically appointed clergymen/scholars paid out of tax coiffures. The KJV was a initiative of the English state church... which was objectionable to the Baptists of that day who "clung" to their Geneva Bibles.
     
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    The copyright argument is probably the weakest of all the KJVO arguements.
     
  5. Johnv

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    FYI, I have asked the question "Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism" 51 times on this board since I've been here. To date, no one has replied with scriptural support. I will, however, continue to ask when the topic warrants it, so as to give KJVOists with every opportunity to assist me in walking a scripture-centered walk. But you'd think that, after 50 posts, someone, somewhere, would have provided me with scriptural support.
    I fail to see how the existence of a copyright is in any way scriptural support for KJVOism. There are numerous bibles that are in public domain. The ASV is probably the most common.

    This past weekend, I purchased my wedding gift for my bride to be: A good quality leather NIV study bible with her married name engraved on the cover. It was about $45. Interestingly, a comparable KJV and ASV 1901, both of which are in public domain, were $50. The NASB and TLB were also $50.

    That pretty much blows a hole in anyone who claims that copywritten bibles are more expensive.

    Interestingly, a few years ago, KJVO's swore up and down that the popularity of the KJV was itself evidence of KJVOism. Interestingly, ever since the NIV became the best selling bible translation, those same KJVO's have abandoned that arguement. Go figure.
     
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    I agree with all you guys, exept the first guy.By the way where did that masculine muscleman go anyhow?
     
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    The same place all the other hit-and -run trolls go, Bill.
     
  8. David J

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    I challenge you to simply pick up a Cambridge KJV and turn a couple of pages....there is a copyright!

    Yet again facts end the distortions and lies coming from the KJVO Camp.

    David
     
  9. Dr. Bob

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    I would ask JohnBasket to do a "search" of topics. Many of these arguments have been discussed. Even if it a year or two ago, you may add to it and it will immediately move to the top of the list.
     
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    Oh yeah!? Well I think you're WRONG!!! I think "Mt:24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away," is the weakest of all the KJVo arguments!! You lost, deceived MV lovers don't even know which KJVo argument is the weakest!

    :D :D
     
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    http://members.aol.com/pilgrimpub/kjvcopy.htm

    HankD
     
  12. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Oh yeah!? Well I think you're WRONG!!! I think "Mt:24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away," is the weakest of all the KJVo arguments!! You lost, deceived MV lovers don't even know which KJVo argument is the weakest!

    :D :D
    </font>[/QUOTE]Or how about Psalm 12?
     
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    John Baskette:OK. instead of re-doing THE AURGUMENTS MY PASTOR'S WORK ALONG W/OTHER GODLY, WELL-READ MEN OF OLD HAVE SAID,

    Who ARE these men?


    I will use the simpilest aurgument for people in this effeminate age. IT DOES REQUIRE THOUGHT, HOPE THAT'S NOT ASKING TOO MUCH: THE KING JAMES VERSON HAS NO COPYWRIGHT! This indicates NO-ONE IS MAKING $ OFF THEIR IDEAS on what GOD MEANT OR WAS TRYING TO SAY

    Since this was addressed to me, I shall add my reply, although it's already been well-answered by others...

    First, the AV 1611 not only had a copyright issued to Sir Robert Barker, the royal printer in KJ's day, but it also bore the king's TAX STAMP, placed in each copy at the suggestion of Sir Robert Cecil, KJ's Finance Minister.

    Next, none of the British literature contemporary with the AV 1611 is copyrighted...Not the works of Milton or of Shakespeare, or of any of the well-known authors of the day. After a period of time, literary works become public domain. And in the USA, there is the FAIR USE law, permitting a copyrighted work to be quoted or reproduced in part for its intended use. This means that a preacher may quote freely from any copyrighted Bible or reproduce as much of it as necessary to present a sermon or teach from it. What he may NOT do is MAKE MONEY by his reproduction thereof.

    Next, the Cambridge Edition of the KJV IS currently copyrighted...the WHOLE WORK, not just the concordance, etc. David J posted above how you can prove it to yourself. Also, there are many copyrighted KJV editions in the USA. Even though the text is public domain, many printing houses make editions with a unique concordance, or set of maps, or illustrations, etc. which ARE copyrighted.

    Next, how does a copyright change one word of any given work?

    Next, who is giving Bibles away? The Gideons? Their Bibles may be used by you at no cost to you, but the Gideons themselves PAID OUT-OF-POCKET for that copy of the Bible. Somewhere, someone pays for every copy of the Bible now made, regardless of version, regardless of cost or lack of cost to the final user.

    The AV 1611 is COMPLETELY public domain...the text, the preface, the dedicatory, the list of Holy Days...but I paid $30 for my Hendrickson reprint. Both Hendrickson Publishing Co. and Mustard Seed Book Stores made money from that AV 1611...as well as the State of Ohio in taxes.

    Finally...WHERE'S YOUR SCRIPTURE SUPPORTING THE KJVO MYTH? Surely you have SOME PROOF to support your doctrine! Or, are you a rebel without a cause?
     
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    Mr. Baskette...I suggest you heed Dr. Bob's suggestion and look up some of the old topics, but if you do, please read them thoroughly before bumping any of them to the "current" page. I believe you'll see that every KJVO excuse has been shot down.

    And again...Please provide some Scripture to support the KJVO myth and that other doctrine you hoisted in the other forum. If it aint in Scripture, it aint valid.
     
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    Kinda like the "Egypt/Scripture" thingy many ape on this board???
     
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    I will also ask the same question to KJVOists. Please provide Scriptural support for KJVOism. This is officially my 52nd request for scriptural support of KJVOism on this board.
     
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    Kinda like the "Egypt/Scripture" thingy many ape on this board???</font>[/QUOTE]Umm...sorta like your innane insistence on the Byzantine/Antioch manuscripts?

    Either put up or shut up, AA. Whip out some hard proof, or go crawl back under your rock...or is it bridges that trolls live under?

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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    Oh yeah!? Well I think you're WRONG!!! I think "Mt:24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away," is the weakest of all the KJVo arguments!! You lost, deceived MV lovers don't even know which KJVo argument is the weakest!

    :D :D
    </font>[/QUOTE]BARF!!!!!
     
  19. Johnv

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    At least you're correct to point out that KJVO arguements are weak. The fact also remains that KJVOism is unscriptural.
     
  20. Scott J

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    Kinda like the "Egypt/Scripture" thingy many ape on this board??? </font>[/QUOTE]Don't need Egypt. I have perfectly reliable translations of the Bible that use the TR/MT texts: NKJV, KJV, WEB, LITV, YLT, EMTV, etc.

    Of course if the Alexandrian family of mss can contribute to our coming closer to a word for word facsimile of the originals then I am all for giving them due consideration.
     

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