King James

We all know what Scripture michelle is referring to:

Psalm 12:6-7
The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

The presentation of which Scripture in my opinion is now (probably unwittingly) being used as a ruse.

The division caused by the difference of opinion concerning this passage always leads us away from the central issue.

That God has indeed preserved His Word.

Not only in heaven, but here on earth and Jesus gave a way to discern where that would be.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The Masoretic Text. Masora means Traditional.
Nowhere in the KJV or any other English Bible can these jots and tittles be found.

They have as it were “passed” away” from them.

Jesus pointed to the original language.

The Church from the beginning has almost always hearkened back to these texts for translation

So should we.

That is my conviction. I can’t prove it just as the KJVO can’t prove theirs.

HankD

 

The verses in Psalm 12 being considered are simply stating that God's promises are true, and that he will preserve the perfect person, ie, those that trust in him. Why must people try to twist these scriptures to support an unscriptural view?

AVL1984

 

Amazing Granny, I found the following passage in the New King James Bible:

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

So we are up two versions (according to your Scripture) in which the we have the preserved word of God

HankD

 

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Michelle, I believe you are my sister in Christ, but you have also IMO been guilty of attacking people. I'm certainly not blameless in this regard either- I've felt that I've been unduly harsh in at least a couple of my dialogues with you- and for that I apologize.
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Thank you Larry for this, I truly do appreciate this, and your kindness and humbleness, and your honesty. I also consider you my brother in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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Personally, you've called me "blind"; told me once that I "act stupid and ignorant"; and on more than one occasion have insinuated that I'm spiritually immature. Now, I realize that I still have a long ways to go on the maturity scale- but I've also had awhile to grow in the Lord, and I believe I have done so. Chronologically, I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour some years before you were born (according to your bio).
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And I also apologize for saying these things to you, that have hurt you, or made you feel as though you were spiritually immature. I in no way think that, and I am sorry if I made you feel that way. We are human, and many times, can fall away from the Lord's leading in a situation, and I also admitt that I have done this and allowed my anger to turn to sin, many times. I think part of it, is that I spend more time on here, than the Lord would have me to, and I start going against the Lord's will, and I fail each and every time. I am sorry, and I have been praying about this everyday, for myself and all of us.

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Just bear in mind that words can be hurtful to people on both sides of the KJVO debate.

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Yes, I understand this. And sometimes it is to be expected. But I have to say honestly, that many here, maybe not lately you, but many have done and said some very mean and nasty things to me, and to others that are not done on a one time basis, but continually. Many continue to take liberty with what someone has written, and twist it to show something there, that was not, nor is there to which is misleading. Our salvation is continually attacked, not questioned. To say that our belief is gnosticism, or part of a cult or believing myths and heresies and false doctrine, is not questioning our salvation, but boldly stating in a different way that we are not saved. These things are untrue. You may all think we are decieved, but that would not be bolding saying we are not saved, as is being done. Christians can and are decieved in many areas, but this in no way makes them unsaved. These labels and names and accusations are made toward us in most cases, it seems, as if to hurt us. If I tell you you are blind, or decieved, this is not meant to hurt you, but to tell you the truth and to help you. It is not said to slander you, nor is it to question your salvation, or your spirituality, nor your growing with the Lord. However, we are being purposely slandered and continually. You may think that the attacks are equal on both sides, but I do beg to differ with you.

I realize that these posts are off topic, and I apologize. I did want to respond to you Larry however, and acknowledge what you said. I thank you very much for your post. I will try not to hijack the threads anymore and try to be more sensitive, as much as the truth will allow.

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

"So please, provide me with scriptural support, so that I will no longer be deceived."

Well, gee, Granny, I guess that makes Martin Luther a Oneness Pentecostal as well.

 

My biggest problem with this whole situation is that I could take nearly any translation and make the precise same claims the KJVO position and they would openly attack me for it.

What say ye, if I say "The NKJV is God's Word for today in English. I know it because of Psalm 12, Hebrews 11:1, and because I am faithful to the Lord and He has revealed this truth to me."?

 

The sad thing is, Bob, that though some have accused W/H of being 'satan worshippers', no one has proven this to be fact. The 'secret society' thing is also mostly unfounded accusations to discredit them. I believe they, in college, or childhood, were members of a 'secret society', but nobody took that kind of thing seriously. And even if they did, I believe the proof of the connection of the Knights Templers to the AV translators.

AVl1984

 

If you can show me in the scriptures where God has said that He would allow additions/omittions/alterations of His words of truth - clearly stating He would, then I will show you the scriptures I have provided many times already to you. I will not accept the line that the gospels are different. There is a clearly different reason the gospels seem different, but they are in fact not different. They are written in a different perspective, but all say the same things, and there are no contradictions. Now, one more thing I would like to say regarding that, is what the Apostles wrote down, were the inspired words of God Almighty, and they have been preserved in that manner, exactly throughout history - if you doubt me, read Psalm 12. A translation of God's words, does not have this same authority. A translation, in God's providence would mirror, or equal the texts it is translated from appropriately and accurately in that prospective language.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

By faith, I believe I have God's very words & I do not acknowledge anything else as being such. Take away my Bible and you take away my only means of knowing Him, as I would not substitute or trust anything else. If you feel the "new" kjv or any of the other mv's is God's Word for today in English, then you should have peace about that.

 

Thank you for your gracious attitude, GG!

AVL1984

 

So are you saying that only the original texts in the original languages are inspired and that all translations including the KJV do not carry the authority of the originals? Or are you saying that God inspired the Apostles to write down His Word in English, because you feel the KJV does carry the same authority as the originals?

You are speaking in circles. Either the translations(according to you) do not carry the same authority as the originals or they do. If all translations are inferior to the originals then that would by definition include the KJV.

Bro Tony

 

I do Granny. And thank you for your graciousness. BTW, neither I nor anyone else that I have read on this board would want to try to take away your Bible. As a matter of fact we agree with you that it is the Bible and you don't need anything else.

God Bless,

Bro Tony

 

LarryN:

“Riiiiiiiiipppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's the sound of a Bible verse being used completely out of context.”

And coincidentally it is also the sound of the first three letters of Rrriiippplinger, which also has something to do with taking matters out of context.

Should this be reported to Rrriiipppley’s Believe it or Not?

 

Bob Rogers: “The connections of Wescott and Hort are with the Jesuits.”

Prove it.

And not by quoting Ruckman or Chick or their followers.

I’ll help with the answer: it can’t be done.

 

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You are speaking in circles. Either the translations(according to you) do not carry the same authority as the originals or they do. If all translations are inferior to the originals then that would by definition include the KJV.

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I was not speaking in circles. I was talking about the reason for the seemingly difference in the gospel accounts, that many like to bring up as their proof that versions can omitt/add things to God's word. A translation of God's word is, and can be the same authority as the origionals. Additions/omittions to them are not.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

As does the NKJV.

 

I do Granny. And thank you for your graciousness. BTW, neither I nor anyone else that I have read on this board would want to try to take away your Bible. As a matter of fact we agree with you that it is the Bible and you don't need anything else.

God Bless,

Bro Tony </font>[/QUOTE]Let me add my hearty "AMEN!" to that.