Kingdom Exclusion

Lacy, a real Christian is a Christ-follower -- someone who has been born again by the power and grace of the Holy Spirit. The Christian is saved be cause he or she believed (not just intellectual acknowledgement, which even the demons can do -- see James, but a total life trust and dependancy) on the Lord Jesus Christ.

At that point the Holy Spirit indwells the Christian. See Romans 8:9. If someone does not have the Holy Spirit, that person does not belong to Christ.

No person who belongs to Christ is going to spend one nanosecond in hell. Period. He took care of all sin on the cross. It is now a matter of belief which is the key to salvation, not a matter of living a good life. After one is saved, one can become a more or less difficult child for the Holy Spirit to raise, but He will finish the job (Phil 1:6) and that job is to conform each of us believers to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28-30). Those who are 'easier' children of God to raise, who trust and obey and show forth Christ's character in the situations in which God has placed them, will have earned rewards. Those who do not have not. But none will miss out on an eternity with the Lord, which is heaven.

Your thousand year thing is a purgatory-type teaching and belongs in the Roman Catholic church, not in a Bible-based theology.

By the way, there was no baptism in the Red Sea. If you recall, the Israelites when through on dry land. It is the Egyptians who were rather thoroughly 'baptised'!


Edit: my husband just corrected me on the baptism issue. In 1 Cor. 10:2, it states the Israelites were baptized 'into Moses' "in the cloud and in the sea." My apologies. However the baptism into Christ is a baptism into His death (Romans 6:3) which is a very different matter.

 

So you do not believe the following... 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

It would seem the good or the bad is a reference by Paul back to 1Cor 3. It would also seem contradictory to scripture for the Lord to tell us our sins will be remembered no more and then judge us for them after he died for them.

It would seem more likely that the good and the bad are works that are committed by believers in the name of Christ, while some are done for the right purposes some are also done for the wrong purposes but all are done and all are to be rewarded with either perishable (wood hay and stubble) or none-perishable substances (Gold, silver and precious stones). Did you ever wonder where your crown is going to come from that you lay at the feet of Jesus? It will be made up from your rewards for your labor in the Christian life in and through the grace of God. You will either had a crown in heaven or you won't but you will still be saved.

My friend you have been taught incorrectly either Jesus died for all my sin or he died in vain there is no partial salvation. Not by works of righteousness that we have done...

Titus 3:5-8 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

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Nope. But I've read the Bible.

 

Amen, Helen. Amen! Thanks for the bottom line affirmation.

 

I do not believe comparing the number of Bible commentaries we each have on our shelves has any bearing on what we believe. In addition to our commentaries, we both have access to libraries, public and in our churches.

I could cite specific churches which have a good deal of information on the web available for study, but that doesn't change my views regarding misinterpretation. I just didn't believe it would be advantageous to post point/counterpoint when my goal was to affirm Helen's post.

Back to the original post, I have no questions, therefore require no answers.

 

Lacy the problem is though if someone takes an honest and sincere look at these matters the evidence is overwhelming and undeniable, which means that folks are going to have to drop traditional church teachings. And that can be a very trying and uncomfortable position and Christians like their comfort and no trials.

As a side note when I "stumbled" across these teachings, as Lacy said, I thought the man I was reading had lost his marbles. I thought this is the most bizarre stuff I have ever read. Come to find out this man that I was reading said the same thing about the preacher that he sat under in Tennessee.

The problem is these teachings have been dropped from the churches, because these teachings won't fill the pews and if we don't fill the pews we can't build bigger buildings and have bowling alleys and coffee shops and movie theaters and what nots.

 

Do you have any Scripture to back up this 1000 yr thing you are teaching?

 

1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.


Even after the judgement seat of Christ there is only praise of God
after loss of rewards, not bannishment from the kingdom.

 

Rex, if your post was suppose to answer my question I do not see the answer.

Paul is saying that he knows of no sin in his own life that has not been confessed, but that Christ will have the last word. Read the whole chapter context is everything.

 

No, his scripture was not in support of Kingdom Exclusionism.

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Now, having heard this Kingdom Theology expounded upon (Lacy does a pretty good job), I came away amazed at how well this doctrine was supported scripturally.

However, I do not believe that the conclusions are the only conclussions out there (or out here). And I personally do not believe in Kingdom Exclusionism.

But, of course if this theology is true - a thousand years in 'purgatory' would be better than a thousand years in the kingdom for those that are then cast into hell . . . Honestly. I would rather a thousand years of getting right for eternity than to have a thousand years getting ready for hell.

 

The difference between Kingdom Exclusion and Purgatory is like the difference between the Lord's Supper and the Mass. We don't teach that a disobedient Christian gets to spend a thousand years paying for his sins, those sins were paid for by Christ on the Cross. The only thing left is temporal rewards for things done in the flesh, which we are told plainly that we will recieve at the judgment seat of Christ. Losing the prize of the high calling (reigning with Jesus in the kingdom, not being saved) results in 'suffering loss'. Jesus doesn't allow us to kick cans dejectedly down the streets of gold, he removes all things that offend (matt 13:41).