Kingdom Rule

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  1. Iconoclast

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    17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

    18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

    19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.


    God reigns from heaven now....from the throne and is mindful of those who are covenant keepers.

    Do you believe this? Or do you believe this is somehow not true right now?
     
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    5 Yea, and for this very cause adding on your part all diligence, in your faith supply virtue; and in your virtue knowledge;
    6 and in your knowledge self-control; and in your self-control patience; and in your patience godliness;
    7 and in your godliness brotherly kindness; and in your brotherly kindness love.
    8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to be not idle nor unfruitful unto the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    9 For he that lacketh these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.
    10 Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:
    11 for thus shall be richly supplied unto you the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Pet 1

    AMEN!
     
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    It does seem to fit the rest of the NT. Some are waiting for a future earthly Kingdom as if we are not to serve now...but scripture sounds a different note:
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    Everyone agrees with you on this. Nothing you have stated in your OP is debated or Scripturally debateable. God "Reigns" over ALL....always has, always will. :wavey:
     
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    You think that's the essence of John the Baptist's preaching here?:

    1 And in those days cometh John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, saying,
    2 Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mt 3

    Or Christ's?:

    17 From that time began Jesus to preach, and to say, Repent ye; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mt 4
     
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    Icon, you mispresent my views as if you know it all.

    "It does seem to fit the rest of the NT. Some are waiting for a future earthly Kingdom as if we are not to serve now...

    I don't understand your arrogance and ignorance in that statement. No one I know that believes in a future millenial kingdom says that you are not to serve here. That statement is ludicrous, no offense.
     
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    Wow, you and HOS kinda follow each other around don't you? Seems when one of you posts the other one's not far behind. Both characters are abrasive, like a troll.

    You getting ready to pull a tag team act?
     
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    I don't know you, HOS, or anyone here from Adam. I will be glad to give you my address if you would like to come and visit and see that I am no troll. Maybe we both don't like our views being miscategorized by pithy sayings. Any other clown statements you want to make?
     
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    John the Baptist's Preaching...and that of Christ's were not "either/or"...John came to preach the message to repent....So did Christ. Jesus also said "Except ye repent you shall all likewise perish." I was unaware of the fact that somehow the preaching of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were somehow in opposition to one another....Could you explain?
    What are you talking about with this ethereal term you created about the "essence" of John's preaching????? Jesus and John the Baptist preached the same message. No one argues Icon's OP...Jesus "Reigns" over all....God "Reigns" over all....Icon is correct...The term we use to define the term "God" still remains the understood term we use to define "God"....Icon posed a tautology.........A friggin tautology.........and somehow, you are capable of turning it into a debateable argument amongst Bible-Believing Christians....I don't even know how one engages such speak.
    KY...Are you being intentionally contrary for it's own sake???

    The term "God" implies (in Western parlance) a being of omnipotence.....
    Icon used the term "God"...and he suggests that he "reigns" (Omnipotence is prima-facie implied and assumed already). So....what then is the point of this thread??? God=God?...........Gee,....thanks for the info :rolleyes:
     
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    This is insane.....Lemme explain reality to you

    1.) Bronconagurski is an intelligent and informative Bible-believing Calvinist who does not agree with "HoS" on many Soteriological issues.
    2.) That being said: Bronconagurski is a poster who often gives intelligent and reasoned responses to many posts
    3.) Bronconagurski and "HoS" do not always agree on all things....but I do find him to be a poster worthy of response...I also personally find "Archangel" and "Luke 24/7" and some others worthy of reasoned debate thus, I engage them when they post......You might say that I "follow" those guys...because they usually post some intelligible response worthy of discussion...
    4.) If "HoS" has ever "followed" Bronconagurski...it's only because he posed a thought worthy of response.....that "HoS" found to be intriguingly worth responding to......."HoS" doesn't "follow" you though.....because you have yet to do any such thing.

    Why then are you nasty to Bronconagurski??? When did he hurt you or your wife and children? Are you trying to hurt his feelings or insult him somehow? What did Bron ever do to you?
     
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    Regarding the OP...once again..God=God, and there is nothing posed which is debated by anyone. Icon is correct that an Omnipotent deity=an Omnipotent deity....there is simply no debate here.
     
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    1] What did I say that was arrogant?

    2] What did I say that was ignorant?

    3] I have met many persons who say.....well when the kingdom comes..THEN we will REALLY serve the Lord. I have many times heard a statement of this....

    4] BSKI...c an you offer your understanding of hebrews 12...saying Jesus is already speaking to us from the throne in heaven
     
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    Hos,

    This is a strong verse of scripture and I agree there should not be much in the way of debate.
    I am trying to draw out responses as to how we are to rule and reign as Kings and Priests here and now.

    He says ...receiving a kingdom....the fact that it is here and now where do we see it's authority?

    In the church?
    "" " home?
    " ' job?
    " " school?
    " " the nations?

    We as christian Israel are not the OT theocracy...and yet...we are as believers theocratic. I am trying to work through these ideas for the last several years.

    Some times only the theonomy guys, or the christian reconstruction guys speak of this. I think they go too far,and yet I do not see much discussion in christian circles. People look at the verses..read them, do nothing, and then go to work the next day.

    I think we are to fully serve the Lord each day....not just huddled up in the church meeting, but affecting the world for the Kingdom's sake as we are called to this.


    To expand a bit.....do you believe that Hebrews 2 speaks of our taking Kingdom dominion over the earth?

    This is a quote from psalm 8.....now being repeated after the cross...what does it mean in real terms to us?

    What do you have on this HOS? How do these verses impact your worldview, if at all?
     
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    And now we have come to the part of this thread where the quite modest icon explains to us the terms of Jehovah's covenant with him and just how he goes about keeping that covenant. He is also going to fill us in on just exactly how he keeps the commandments of God and as a bonus will go down a list of all the things that we see today that prove that believers today are living in the kingdom and being ruled by the reigning Christ.
     
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    Or we can see where you explain what hebrews 12:25-29 is teaching.....or maybe not:laugh::laugh:

    or why you seem to despise any mention of the Covenant that saints have always rejoiced in;
    17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

    18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

    19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.
     
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    I do believe that His Spiritual kingdom has come! I also believe we are living it now by the power of the Holy Spirit.
     
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    23 And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Lu 9

    1 The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me; because Jehovah hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
    2 to proclaim the year of Jehovah`s favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
    6 But ye shall be named the priests of Jehovah; men shall call you the ministers of our God: ye shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves. Isa 61

    5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be mine own possession from among all peoples: for all the earth is mine:
    6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Ex 19

    4 unto whom coming, a living stone, rejected indeed of men, but with God elect, precious,
    5 ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
    6 Because it is contained in scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: And he that believeth on him shall not be put to shame.
    7 For you therefore that believe is the preciousness: but for such as disbelieve, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner;
    8 and, A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence; for they stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
    9 But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God`s own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
    10 who in time past were no people, but now are the people of God: who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
    11 Beloved, I beseech you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lust, which war against the soul;
    12 having your behavior seemly among the Gentiles; that, wherein they speak against you as evil-doers, they may by your good works, which they behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. 1 Pet 2

    1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service.
    2 And be not fashioned according to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, and ye may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Ro 12

    13 neither present your members unto sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves unto God, as alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    16 Know ye not, that to whom ye present yourselves as servants unto obedience, his servants ye are whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
    19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye presented your members as servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity, even so now present your members as servants to righteousness unto sanctification. Ro 6

    11 Faithful is the saying: For if we died with him, we shall also live with him:
    12 if we endure, we shall also reign with him: if we shall deny him, he also will deny us:
    13 if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2

    17 For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; much more shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, even Jesus Christ. Ro 5

    5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;
    6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 1

    9 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation,
    10 and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon earth. Rev 5

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20

    5 And there shall be night no more; and they need no light of lamp, neither light of sun; for the Lord God shall give them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
    6 And he said unto me, These words are faithful and true: and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angels to show unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass.
    7 And behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book.
    10 And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand.
    12 Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is.
    20 He who testifieth these things saith, Yea: I come quickly. Amen: come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22
     
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    One of the problems with your position is that it could be inferred that prior to AD 70, the time that you think the Kingdom started and Jesus returned to rule and reign is that from Adam until AD70 Jehovah was not the total sovereign of the universe or at best not exercising that power. I would argue that God is and always has been the all powerful sovereign and is immersed in every detail of creation. The kingdom of Christ is something different and believe it or not the Bible gives us a lot of details about that kingdom, most of those details are not evident to this observer.

    Nowhere in the Bible is there mention of a covenant of grace or works or redemption. While it is true that redemption is available to sinful man and grace is the means by which we receive redemption, the Bible does not teach that Jehovah made any covenant of grace/works/redemtion. If there were such a covenant you would be pointing out this covenant and also educating me on just exactly how you are keeping that covenant. Also, I noticed that you are not spelling out how you personally keep the commandments of God either. Why, shy?
     
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    My friend it's called righteous indignation.
     

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