Kings or A Kingdom

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  1. TCGreek

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    Which text best fits what John had in mind:

    1.και εποιησεν ημας βασιλεις και ιερεις τω θεω (Rev 1:6): "And he made us kings and priets to God."

    2. Or και εποιησεν ημας βασιλειαν ιερεις τω θεω: "And he made us a kingdom and priests to God."
     
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    The latter.
     
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    Which is TR and which is NU/MT?
     
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    1. The first is TR

    2. And the second is NU/MT. Hope that helps.
     
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    Well I could direct you to Revelation 5:10

    “…Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
    Revelation 5:9-10 AV 1873

    But we get into the same argument…

    …and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”
    Revelation 5:10 ESV

    My recent foray into Psalms (145:1) re-acquainted me with the divine Kingship of our LORD.
    But are believers ever called "kings"?
    I don't know of any (other) NT passages.
    Perhaps 1 Corinthians 4:8?
    But there Paul derides the local church with the term.

    “I do not write these things to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children.”
    1 Corinthians 4:14 ESV

    Earlier in Revelation 1:5, Jesus Christ is called:
    ὁ ἄρχων τῶν βασιλέων τῆς γῆς,
    “the ruler of the kings of the earth.”


    Here, at least to me, the emphasis lies more with the idea of Jesus as “King of kings” than that he rules over his new servant kings.

    The wording of the end of Revelation 1:5 reminds me of passages in Ephesians 5:2 and 25
    They are certainly not associated with any idea of personal kingship.

    “…as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us…” Ephesians 5:2 ESV

    “…as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her…” Ephesians 5:25 ESV


    The earliest witness to the text reads:

    και εποιησεν ημ[ας
    βα]
    σ[ιλ]ειαν ϊερεις τω θ̅«υ̅»ω̅ και π[α]τρι
    αυτο]υ• αυτω το κρατος και η δοξα
    εις το]υς αιωνας αμην

    P18 [containing Rev. 1:4–7]; dated middle to late third century

    Curious that while not all of the word “Kingdom” is extant in this text, the ending of the word survived.

    Rob
     
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    As a quick thought: A kingom contains more than kings, but we are all told to be priests. In the coming Kingdom, not everyone will rule and reign. There will be those who are ruled over. But, does that rescind their responsibility to be priests? There will be a Kindgom, but only few will be elect (kings), but we are all priests.
     
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    Yes, it does! So, am I to understand, therefore, that the NU/MT has it right in this case?
     
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    Revelation 1:6 is a quote from the OT.

    ...and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
    Exodus 19:6 AV1873

    Rob
     
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    1. I have taken a look at Stephanus 3rd edition of what was known as "the Royal edition," from which the "Received Text" was derived and it favors the KJV's rendering at both Rev.1:5 and 5:10.

    2. The TR reading is depended on a commentary from Andraeas of Caesarea, who lived in the 7th cen.
     
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    Where ever did you find that tidbit?

    Anyway, regarding Exodus 19:8,
    The Targums being an Aramaic translation of the Hebrew Bible.

    Who knows? They may have influenced the commentary of Andraeas of Caesarea.

    Rob
     
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    I got it from my NA27 apparatus. It's a majority text reading too. I also confirmed it in Text of the NT by Metzger.
     
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    I didn't perceive the superscript; I’ve haven't studied through Revelation and didn't recognize it's significance. Thanks!

    Metzger, Text of the NT (p 197)... Yuck, Greek grammar is just a bit beyond my capabilities.

    Rob
     
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    Keep plugging away! I'm still working on my Greek.:thumbs:
     

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